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Well, I was right in my analysis that I hadn't got the job, but wrong in my analysis of who did! However, I really don't feel it was through anything I did wrong. They said that the person who got the job had more relevant experience and, since I know who was appointed, thanks to the "group discussion" thing, they are probably right about that.

The difficulty is that I need a job, and there is not really anything I can do to make my previous experience more relevant!
 
Well, I was right in my analysis that I hadn't got the job, but wrong in my analysis of who did! However, I really don't feel it was through anything I did wrong. They said that the person who got the job had more relevant experience and, since I know who was appointed, thanks to the "group discussion" thing, they are probably right about that.

The difficulty is that I need a job, and there is not really anything I can do to make my previous experience more relevant!
Looking at my options, that's looking very much like the situation I'm in, too. I've worked hard at getting together some up-to-date computery skills, but whenever I look at the jobs that come in, they all require more specialised knowledge/skills/experience than I could even realistically fake.

And the clock's ticking on this whole redundancy business, and there's fuck all alternative employment around here apart from drug smuggling and burglary.
 
I am dipping my toe into the jobs market as my position is not secure.
Recruiters seem to want to talk, in office hours. I can't do that at the moment.
 
I am dipping my toe into the jobs market as my position is not secure.
Recruiters seem to want to talk, in office hours. I can't do that at the moment.
I am still (but probably not for much longer) in a position to be able to dictate my activities to some extent during office hours. The trouble is that any recruiters of any use to me are about 100 miles <---- that way.
 
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conventional wisdom holds that it's easier to get a job when you're in one, but since employers increasingly want you to go to several sessions rather than a one-off interview, how the bleeding hell are you supposed to do that if you're already in work?

and i'm not sure i want to go into detail, but i think i may be back on this thread pretty damn soon. gut feeling at the moment is to GTFO of the new job soon enough for me not to have to mention it on the CV, rather than wait until I fail the probation period. It's a very niche specialism in my own sort of trade, of which I know the basics, but that's rather a difference to actually doing it as a specialism.

Blargh.
 
A colleague advised me that a local FE college was advertising some teaching posts, so I thought I'd take a look. This bit of the advertisement caught my eye:
Please note: Successful candidates will be required to undertake an enhanced DBS check prior to commencing work (this is to be paid for by the individual at a cost of £44).
Now this is a hot button of cuntitude for me - in my view, anything absolutely essential to one's employment (like a DBS clearance) should be paid for by the employer, otherwise, it's just another tax/barrier to entry for candidates.

Such cuntitude was not a surprise to me, given that I used to work for this particular employer, and resigned 5 years ago in high dudgeon when they started demanding that I practice in a fashion I considered to be unethical. So I thought I'd check it out, and rang to profess an interest in the post.

I learned a couple of things.

First of all, they were surprisingly eager to progress my "application", wanting my name and contact details from the outset. I said that this was an anonymous enquiry at this point, and I had a few questions. Two of which were: "Would an extant DBS clearance obtained via a different employer be acceptable?", and "Can you confirm that you're seriously expecting your staff to pay for their own clearances?". After much umming and erring, came the answers, "No", and "Yes".

I thanked them, and informed them that, on that basis alone, I would not be interested, which seemed to come as something of a surprise to them.

But...REALLY. Where do employers get off doing this kind of thing? It's a brilliant selection filter to ensure that your successful applications are desperate, gullible, or don't actually care very much about the details. Not attributes I'd imagine are desirable in teaching staff. All for forty-four fucking quid.

But then, like I say, I know this employer. I suppose I should be glad it wasn't a zero-hours contract.
 
i applied for a perfect job a couple of weeks ago, agency rang me straight away, all looking positive and then no contact. i chased the agency once after a few days and they said they were still waiting for the company to get back to them, no cause for alarm.

at least a week later, i was contemplating chasing again and wondering where the line was between keen and hassling. out of the blue someone from the company calls me for a telephone interview! thankfully i was in a position to take the call and hopefully it went alright given that i'd done no preparation whatsoever. :eek:

it was only really a preliminary call as it was about 10-15mins and i think with HR not someone from the appropriate department, but apparently the next stage is a full day assessment centre *gulp*

so fingers crossed! they are looking for more than one person so that might explain why they weren't too thorough on the phone - they will probably put quite a few through to the assessment stage. including me, i think, as the call had a feel to it of 'ruling out' rather than 'ruling in' and it wasn't a disaster or anything.

well, it must have been a disaster as i didn't get through. they didn't bother to contact me either, i had to chase via the recruitment agency.

have asked for more feedback as i don't understand what they actually found out about me that was enough to rule me out given the 'chat' was so short and informal and nothing at all like other phone interviews i have done. the whole tone was more like chatting to a recruitment agent than a proper interview, no interview-y questions at all, more just fact-checking.

absolutely devasted. this job was perfect and i hate my job so much.
 
I am afraid I have been there and done that. It is hard seeing your hard won savings disappear.
It is, indeed, but the worst bit is not knowing if/when I will get a job. If I was confident, I could enjoy the time off, and would not mind spending the savings, because it is, theoretically at least, fun not to have to work all the time, particularly when I have a small grandchild I adore.
 
So. Redundancy offer accepted, and in six weeks or so I will be a Free Man, with six months' worth of moolah in the bank to keep the wolf from the door.

I've just come back from a training week/conference, all fired up with ten hours' leadership coaching training, tons of encouragement from the trainer (this bloke: Jay Colker), and something of a renewed sense of direction.

I've got a degree in counselling, plus seven years' experience (counselling and coaching do, in practice, share a lot of the same skills), and 25 years' experience working in business.

I reckon I've got just so long while the fire burns brightly to get myself moving down this path, but I'm not quite sure what direction it heads in. So I thought I'd get the Urban collective on the case...

Coaching (executive, leadership, rather than all that agile/sports/sales nonsense, which isn't really coaching). Where to?

Thanks, Urban.
 
Good luck with that. I can't help because I am too depressed about not having a job! My money has all but run out, and I am getting close to desperate.
 
Good luck with that. I can't help because I am too depressed about not having a job! My money has all but run out, and I am getting close to desperate.
*nods* I've been following your struggle for a long time, and it feels discouraging enough to me - I can only imagine what it must feel like for you :(

I have only finite resources of self-encouragement myself, so it feel really important to me to burst out of the traps quickly and as soon as possible, even to the extent of starting this process of here on holiday. Much, it must be said, to Mrs E's dismay/disgust...so not too much support or encouragement from that direction either.
 
I started applying for jobs before I left my last place - it was part of the leaving package was time off for interviews etc. So, I have been actively looking for 12 months, and getting plenty of interviews, but no job offers.

It is impossible to stay motivated, and it is really hard work applying for jobs, and demonstrating enthusiasm, when I know that I won't be offered the job because my experience is not as good or as relevant as other people.
 
I could find myself in the same position, given that I am looking to do work in a completely different field from one I have worked in before. I'm hoping that a healthy dose of hubris, plus a certain amount of gung ho enthusiasm, might get me through that hurdle...but, as you say, those kinds of qualities don't have a terribly long shelf life, especially if you haven't got someone cheerleading for you in your corner.
 
I thought it might take a few months to get myself back into work, not least because I was already clinically depressed and needing to rebuild myself as it were, but I never expected it to take this long. Right now, things are looking pretty desperate. I actually worry that I may need to rent out my house and go and stay with my father for a while, or even to sell my house and move into a bedsit, although I can't really do that easily because I have three cats.
 
Well I've been out of work and searching for work for a mere 5 weeks. It feels like 5 months already. 100's of applications, minimal responses. 1 fucking interview (unsuccessful because they prefered to take on teenagers for minimum wage instead of paying for experience)
 
job interview next wednesday in that there London (job not in London, head office is).

good news is seems i would have to really fuck up to not get it as i'm the only one being interviewed/considered (no pressure then!). the job is really really suitable (in both directions) and it's quite unusual for people to want someone at my level, they tend to end up going for someone with a bit less experience that they can pay less. tbf, they would be paying me less than current job, but i think i have a chance of actually convincing them that i will stay there regardless.

bad news is there is absolutely no way i can get time off work and being sick would be really dodgy as i go on holiday the next day and they will not believe it. best i can do is work at home, have a pretend medical appointment and then pretend it went long and hope no-one notices i'm unavailable for basically at least half a day. i may have to do work in the evening to catch up. although, if the interview goes really well, i might not bother!
 
Ta! my sister has helpfully suggested a dental emergency for the medical appointment, so i can go in on spec and be kept waiting around until they can squeeze me in.

i've never had one myself, but i'm thinking unspecific but quite bad achey pain, followed by them having to replace a filling.
 
How did interview and rouse go?

it's next week! interviewer is on holiday this week so massive delay between initial bit and main interview.

i have booked my train tickets to head office in London. fingers crossed i get the money back for them as i have done a sneaky thing that my husband does for work. booked first class ticket down (free brekky and tea service) and mega cheap ticket back. the total cost is less than an open return. apparently the receipt you get doesn't itemise. have yet to check this, eek.

if it shows on the receipt i might have to pretend i lost it and not get the money as it might go against me to give them a dodgy one if they notice. rather pay for it than not get the job.
 
It took me 12 months to find a job last time i was unemployed.

Thought I'd give self employment ago. Applied for the NEA scheme through job centre. Finally got my first meeting with the NEA peeps next week after a month and a half out of work.

Typical! I get called for an interview for a job today that pays 18k not including lots of oppo for overtime (working from home answering diverted calls).
On the way home get another email asking me for more detail of my skills and salary expectations.
I've over-exaggerated my skills as an IT co-ordinator a bit (i.e. I don't actually know fuck all about Java but have coded to some extent in other languages) and priced myself 23-25k (which i think is cheap for London / Home Counties? Upto 30k usually?).

They are going to phone me for a chat tomorrow.

Now I'm all like. Do I try and start my own business or not? I might not make enough to live selling on shit via Amazon and eBay but on the other hand I might do really well.

What if I get offered either job?

Gah I hate life decisions that I may or may not have to make.
 
I would take one of the paying jobs (if you get offered them) and try setting up your own business in your own time. If it takes off you can resign, if it doesn't then you've lost nothing.

£23-25k seems cheap in London. I pay the bottom end of that to my helpdesk guys in Bristol.
 
interview went really well (i think!). not going to hear until tuesday (tomorrow now as update is a tad delayed).

no-one at work noticed i was missing.
 
Seen a job I really want to apply for, so going to apply next weekend when I get back from holiday. Squeee.

is it the sort of job that says (or where it is possible) they will close applications once they have received whatever arbitrary number of applications, even if that's before the published closing date?
 
is it the sort of job that says (or where it is possible) they will close applications once they have received whatever arbitrary number of applications, even if that's before the published closing date?
It is the kind of job where they often do, but they haven't said that so I think I should be ok. I don't have Word here so just can't do it anyway.
 
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