The Islamic state

[phildwyer]

Anyway phil who do you think were responsible for the Reyhanli bombings in 2013?

Ergenekon.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well I've just rationally proved you wrong, that's for sure.

no, you haven't. you've proved yourself an arse for putting up evidence (of an attack denied by the pkk) which could have been supplied a day or two ago when asked for. telling your aj link didn't mention this 2008 incident but more telling that you've been reticent about this incident given you said you hated the pkk apparently on its basis. you've by no means proved me wrong as all i've done is ask you to substantiate your claims.

 

[likesfish]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-and-many-are-now-in-isiss-hands-9795485.html



Worrying if true.

Probably not usable and more of a danger to the looters than anyone they are fired at.
Rockets and shells have a kill by date and that relies on being stored correctly developing world military's don't do stock control very well and lots of Cold War surplus means arsenals in developing worlds are going boom with regularity

 

[phildwyer]

no, you haven't. you've proved yourself an arse for putting up evidence (of an attack denied by the pkk) which could have been supplied a day or two ago when asked for. telling your aj link didn't mention this 2008 incident but more telling that you've been reticent about this incident given you said you hated the pkk apparently on its basis. you've by no means proved me wrong as all i've done is ask you to substantiate your claims.

Liar.

You've repeatedly denied that the PKK have carried out attacks on civilians in Istanbul:

so unless phildwyer's got some as yet unseen evidence i call bullshit on his claim to hate the pkk because of attacks in istanbul

And now I have proved you wrong. Not that it was necessary to do so, since the facts have never been disputed by anyone except you and Coley. Naturally I don't expect a weirdo like yourself to acknowledge his error, but you look like a real clown now.

 

[coley]

Liar.

You've repeatedly denied that the PKK have carried out attacks on civilians in Istanbul:



And now I have proved you wrong. Not that it was necessary to do so, since the facts have never been disputed by anyone except you and Coley. Naturally I don't expect a weirdo like yourself to acknowledge his error, but you look like a real clown now.

Aye, but you've looked a right clown for ages

 

[Pickman's model]

Liar.

You've repeatedly denied that the PKK have carried out attacks on civilians in Istanbul:



And now I have proved you wrong.

the post you quote says nothing about the pkk not carrying out attacks in istanbul

 

[phildwyer]

Certainly won't be booking any Hols in Turkey

Turkiye aglamaktadir.

Merkezi sen var:

 

[phildwyer]

the post you quote says nothing about the pkk not carrying out attacks in istanbul

Now you're going to deny that you've denied it?

FFS, I give up. Is this what they taught you at Eton?

 

[Pickman's model]

Now you're going to deny that you've denied it?

FFS, I give up. Is this what they taught you at Eton?

yes, at eton i was taught that tawdry publick intellectuals - like your good self - are all very good at the big distinctions, eg peace/war but fucking awful at anything subtle

 

[Crispy]

ffs give it a break. I come here to learn about current events from knowledgeable people, not a pissing contest between those people about who's more knowledgeable.

 

[Pickman's model]

ffs give it a break. I come here to learn about current events from knowledgeable people, not a pissing contest between those people about who's more knowledgeable.

nothing to do with 'more knowledgeable' but to do with dwyer substantiating claims.

 

[Crispy]

nothing to do with 'more knowledgeable' but to do with dwyer substantiating claims.

I honestly don't care. It's ruining the thread and it's going nowhere. He said, you said, and we can make our own minds up. That'll do. Please?

 

[coley]

I honestly don't care. It's ruining the thread and it's going nowhere. He said, you said, and we can make our own minds up. That'll do. Please?

Fair point,but when someone is positively gleeful at the thought of Kobanis defenders being massacred,it is a bit hard to let slide.

 

[CNT36]

Probably not usable and more of a danger to the looters than anyone they are fired at.
Rockets and shells have a kill by date and that relies on being stored correctly developing world military's don't do stock control very well and lots of Cold War surplus means arsenals in developing worlds are going boom with regularity

No way they can be improvised then?

 

[ohmyliver]

this newsweek article (Inside Kobane: The Diary of a Siege ) is all over twitter,

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/10/24/...ible-and-unprecedented-resistance-277509.html

 

[phildwyer]

Fair point,but when someone is positively gleeful at the thought of Kobanis defenders being massacred,it is a bit hard to let slide.

Sorry Crispy, but you'll understand that I can't let this go without comment.

Coley you berk. Nobody has been "positively gleeful' at that prospect.

If you think they have, you should provide evidence. Either do so, or withdraw your statement.

FFS this is ridiculous. Where do you get off spouting crap like this?

 

[coley]

Sorry Crispy, but you'll understand that I can't let this go without comment.

Coley you berk. Nobody has been "positively gleeful' at that prospect.

If you think they have, you should provide evidence. Either do so, or withdraw your statement.

FFS this is ridiculous. Where do you get off spouting crap like this?

"Thing is, the PKK declared war on the Turkish state 20 years ago. Now they´re under attack from another direction. I venture to suggest that every single government in the world would see that as a godsend, and exploit it to the fullest extent possible. It would be remiss of them to do otherwise."

 

[phildwyer]

"Thing is, the PKK declared war on the Turkish state 20 years ago. Now they´re under attack from another direction. I venture to suggest that every single government in the world would see that as a godsend, and exploit it to the fullest extent possible. It would be remiss of them to do otherwise."

As I said before, this is ridiculous. Why do you think I'd be "gleeful" about a massacre? You don't really think that, you can't--not when I've been repeating, in many and various forms, this verbatim statement at regular intervals throughout this thread:

I despise the PKK, but I don´t endorse a massacre.

You should withdraw your ridiculous assertion.

 

[coley]

Appalling how this has dropped off the news
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...exual-enslavement-of-Yazidis-UN-confirms.html

 

[inva]

seems like the YPG have taken another hill on the edge of the city, this time to the east. I think that is Mistenur Hill which had the black IS flag on it before.

 

[coley]

seems like the YPG have taken another hill on the edge of the city, this time to the east. I think that is Mistenur Hill which had the black IS flag on it before.

Any links?

 

[butchersapron]

Ongoing fighting - ISIS flag def down. Look at this map - YPG/YPJ units had apparently been hidden in the two places to the west and south east of the mount (Tirmik Bijan and Qarah Halinj - Helincê) waiting to die or to fight.

 

[butchersapron]

Not getting any better.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29606089
More reports of beheadings and the Iraqi army refusing to fight.

Here's a reading suggesting that this actually is a sign that things are getting better:

Why the Islamic State Is Losing - The pundits have it wrong—the terrorists’ move toward Baghdad is a sign of desperation.

Everyone should calm down. The reality is that ISIL and its forerunners have always been in Baghdad. The Iraqi capital and its rural exurbs – the “Baghdad belts” — have been a desperate battleground since 2003.

True, ISIL has been posing much more of a direct threat to Baghdad since the beginning of 2014, when the movement took control of Fallujah, a city of 300,000 that is located just 25 miles west of Baghdad International Airport. But Baghdad won’t fall to cascading panic the way that Mosul did in June 2014, no matter how many towns and cities ISIL overruns in the Euphrates River Valley to the northwest of the capital.

Here’s why. Mosul was a predominately Sunni city of one million people where the Shia-led security forces were despised and where the bulk of Iraq’s security forces were hundreds of miles away. Baghdad is a predominately Shia city of more than seven million and the hub of a gargantuan popular mobilization of Shia militias and regular security forces.

In truth, the threat posed to Baghdad this autumn is emerging less because ISIL is winning the war in Iraq and more because it might be slowly but steadily losing it. All across north-central Iraq, ISIL is being challenged by joint forces comprised of Sunni tribes, Shia militias, Iraqi soldiers, Iranian advisors and U.S. airpower. ISIL is struggling to maintain its grip on this battlefield of strange bedfellows, and it could be moving on Baghdad now out of a desperate need for a big victory more than anything else. Even as ISIL appears to be making progress in marginal places like Kobane, the Syrian Kurdish border town, inside Iraq the group has been faltering and needs a new front to rejuvenate its campaign.

Among the less-noted victories against ISIL recently: In early October, Kurdish peshmerga forces and local Sunni tribesmen of the Shammar confederation – usually bitter rivals – cooperated in a three-day blitzkrieg that recaptured the vital Rabiya border crossing that links the ISIL territories in Iraq and Syria. In Dhuluiya, 45 miles north of Baghdad, Sunni tribesmen of the Jabouri confederation are pushing ISIL back from their lands in collaboration with both Iraqi Army forces and, stunningly, Iranian-backed Shia militiamen from the Kataib Hezbollah movement.

Near Kirkuk, the Obeidi confederation, another conglomeration of Sunni tribes, is starting to cooperate with Shia Turkmen tribes and Kurdish security forces against ISIL. For the first time since June, the Iraqi government is able to drive tanks and supply columns all the way from Baghdad to Kirkuk, allowing the security forces to open a new front on ISIL’s eastern flank.

And also, have a read of this to compare the above with the Mosul shambles:
Special report - How Mosul fell

And one last thing - excellent pic of YPG/YPJ snipers:

 

[likesfish]

No way they can be improvised then?

You could but not really worth it the stuff is more like toxic industrial waste at this point
Fuchs 66 could give you details.
But for chemical weapons to be an effective you need massive amount of agent in the area.
Hence multiple rocket launchers being popular as a means delivery.
Their were a few chemical ieds found in Iraq most people belived they were made by mistake as not terribly effective against armour

 

[inva]

Any links?

Yeah sorry I got it from a couple of messages off Jenan Moussa's twitter, here's her exact words: "Eyewitnesses on Turkey border tell me black flag of ISIS on sandy hill #kobane was taken down by Kurds early morning. Now airstrikes there."
link

then she followed that up with "Hill ypg took yesterday is west of city. This hill with flag is East. Opp. directions!"
link

I could be wrong about it being Mistenur Hill though, that was just from me looking at a map and I;m pretty sure it did have an IS flag on it.

 

[coley]

Here's a reading suggesting that this actually is a sign that things are getting better:

Why the Islamic State Is Losing - The pundits have it wrong—the terrorists’ move toward Baghdad is a sign of desperation.







And also, have a read of this to compare the above with the Mosul shambles:
Special report - How Mosul fell

And one last thing - excellent pic of YPG/YPJ snipers:

Reading that,you can draw the conclusion that the longer Kobani holds out the better the chances of IS being degraded beyond repair?

 

[gorski]

The ground for various such "organisations" is way deeper than one town defying them and eluding them...

More like a red cloth before the bull, I would say... There is no rational debate with these guys, I fear!

Well, not yet, anyway. Maybe later on, when they suffer a lot more and figure out their own vulnerability...

 

[phildwyer]

The ground for various such "organisations" is way deeper than one town defying them and eluding them...

More like a red cloth before the bull, I would say... There is no rational debate with these guys, I fear!

Well, not yet, anyway. Maybe later on, when they suffer a lot more and figure out their own vulnerability...

Hiya Gorski, good to see ya!

If you ask me, IS can only be defeated politically, not militarily. Their current crop of fighters were recruited when, as 10 year-olds, they watched the US invade Iraq in 2003. Similar intervention now will see similar blowback in 10 years' time.

 

[kebabking]

...The ground for various such "organisations" is way deeper than one town defying them and eluding them...

More like a red cloth before the bull, I would say...

actually, the more effort they devote to taking particular targets, the more focused their forces are - the easier it is to firstly see and target them from the air, and the more effective air strikes are at degrading them.

if you want to kill wasps, should you chase them around your garden with a fly-swat, or should you hang around the nest with a fly-swat, some wasp spray, a litre of Unleaded and a long match?

 

[coley]

actually, the more effort they devote to taking particular targets, the more focused their forces are - the easier it is to firstly see and target them from the air, and the more effective air strikes are at degrading them.

if you want to kill wasps, should you chase them around your garden with a fly-swat, or should you hang around the nest with a fly-swat, some wasp spray, a litre of Unleaded and a long match?

Aye, and IS know if they don't succeed here they will lose a lot of credibility so they keep hoying reinforcements in which in turn make nice targets. It would be a game changer if Turkey relented and allowed reinforcements in.