The Islamic state

[phildwyer]

it would seem that most Kurds that PD goes on about are the Hezbollah Sunni Kurds

I have never even mentioned them once.

 

[coley]

Fair enough.

Here´s another interesting piece from the same site (al-Jazeera):

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...-legitimacy-isil-rhet-201410811141861465.html

Here's the bit I like,

"This atmosphere of paranoid animosity, social disarray and political crisis was a potent incubator for Islamic radicalism, with its ideological fervour, excommunicatory tendencies, and puritanical dreams. Political grievances mingled with ethnic and sectarian grudges to produce the hatred ridden grandiose discourse of al-Qaeda, ISIL and their Jihadist likes"

 

[phildwyer]

The only bombings of the PKK on that list was of police and military not civillians.

You seem to be a mentiroso patalogico. Why else would you lie when all anyone has to do to discover your lie is read the damn thing? This is just the beginning:

Following is a chronology of some of the recent major attacks and bombings in Turkey:

November 15, 2003 - Thirty people are killed and 146 wounded when car bombs shatter two synagogues in Istanbul. Authorities name two men from southeast Turkey as the suicide bombers, saying the attacks bear the hallmarks of the al Qaeda network.
November 20, 2003 - Thirty-two people are killed and many wounded in two explosions in Istanbul. Part of the HSBC Bank headquarters is destroyed. The British consulate is damaged.
June 24, 2004 - Four people are killed and 15 wounded in an explosion in Istanbul, before former U.S. President George W. Bush was due to arrive in the city.
July 2, 2005 - Six people are killed and 15 injured after a bomb planted by Kurdish guerrillas explodes on a train between the eastern towns of Elazig and Tatvan in Bingol province.
July 6, 2005 - A bomb rips through a minibus in the western holiday resort of Kusadasi, killing at least five people, including a British woman and an Irish woman.
February 13, 2006 - Six people are injured, one seriously, after a bomb explodes at a supermarket on the European side of Istanbul. The Kurdistan Liberation Hawks (TAK) claim responsibility for the blast and pledge more attacks.
June 25, 2006 - A blast tears through a tourist area about 100 km east of the southern resort of Antalya, killing four and injuring 28. The Kurdistan Freedom Hawks (TAK), a group liked to the PKK, claims responsibility.
August 27, 2006 - Ten Britons and six Turks are wounded when their minibus is blown up in the tourist town of Marmaris on the Mediterranean coast. Five others are hurt by two other bombs.
August 28, 2006 - Three people are killed and 87 injured in a blast in Antalya, southern Turkey. The TAK claim responsibility.

 

[coley]

When? And with whom?

To use your style of debate, I don't need to provide links to something so self explanatory

 

[coley]

I have never even mentioned them once.

No, you refer to the Kurds as some homogenous group who are totally anti PKK, which is clearly not the case.
PS, look up 'irony and sarcasm'

 

[coley]

You seem to be a mentiroso patalogico. Why else would you lie when all anyone has to do to discover your lie is read the damn thing? This is just the beginning:

Following is a chronology of some of the recent major attacks and bombings in Turkey:

November 15, 2003 - Thirty people are killed and 146 wounded when car bombs shatter two synagogues in Istanbul. Authorities name two men from southeast Turkey as the suicide bombers, saying the attacks bear the hallmarks of the al Qaeda network.
November 20, 2003 - Thirty-two people are killed and many wounded in two explosions in Istanbul. Part of the HSBC Bank headquarters is destroyed. The British consulate is damaged.
June 24, 2004 - Four people are killed and 15 wounded in an explosion in Istanbul, before former U.S. President George W. Bush was due to arrive in the city.
July 2, 2005 - Six people are killed and 15 injured after a bomb planted by Kurdish guerrillas explodes on a train between the eastern towns of Elazig and Tatvan in Bingol province.
July 6, 2005 - A bomb rips through a minibus in the western holiday resort of Kusadasi, killing at least five people, including a British woman and an Irish woman.
February 13, 2006 - Six people are injured, one seriously, after a bomb explodes at a supermarket on the European side of Istanbul. The Kurdistan Liberation Hawks (TAK) claim responsibility for the blast and pledge more attacks.
June 25, 2006 - A blast tears through a tourist area about 100 km east of the southern resort of Antalya, killing four and injuring 28. The Kurdistan Freedom Hawks (TAK), a group liked to the PKK, claims responsibility.
August 27, 2006 - Ten Britons and six Turks are wounded when their minibus is blown up in the tourist town of Marmaris on the Mediterranean coast. Five others are hurt by two other bombs.
August 28, 2006 - Three people are killed and 87 injured in a blast in Antalya, southern Turkey. The TAK claim responsibility.

I think the good Dr will be along shortly to give you the help you so obviously need.

 

[DrRingDing]

You seem to be a mentiroso patalogico. Why else would you lie when all anyone has to do to discover your lie is read the damn thing? This is just the beginning:

Following is a chronology of some of the recent major attacks and bombings in Turkey:

November 15, 2003 - Thirty people are killed and 146 wounded when car bombs shatter two synagogues in Istanbul. Authorities name two men from southeast Turkey as the suicide bombers, saying the attacks bear the hallmarks of the al Qaeda network.

So you're claiming that the PKK are now affiliated with Al Qaeda?! Are you A. Up to your nuts in international espionage or B. Chatting shite?

There are many criticisms of the PKK and you are missing all of them. You are flailing wildly without taking into account your bias.

 

[phildwyer]

So you're claiming that the PKK are now affiliated with Al Qaeda?! Are you A. Up to your nuts in international espionage or B. Chatting shite?

There are many criticisms of the PKK and you are missing all of them. You are flailing wildly without taking into account your bias.

Dude. You are making this far more complicated than it has to be.

Nobody (except Pickmans Model) denies that the PKK have targeted civilians in Istanbul.

The PKK do not deny it. The AKP do not deny it. Even fucking Coley does not deny it. Nobody (except Pickmans Model) denies it.

Now. DO YOU DENY IT?

YES/NO.

Fucking Hell.

 

[coley]

Dude. You are making this far more complicated than it has to be.

Nobody (except Pickmans Model) denies that the PKK have targeted civilians in Istanbul.

The PKK do not deny it. The AKP do not deny it. Even fucking Coley does not deny it. Nobody (except Pickmans Model) denies it.

Now. DO YOU DENY IT?

YES/NO.

Fucking Hell.

Whey up hinny, the etiquette is to tag when accusing or mentioning,
And for the record, I along with @pickmans model await your links and proof.

 

[phildwyer]

Whey up hinny, the etiquette is to tag when accusing or mentioning,
And for the record, I along with @pickmans model await your links and proof.

Hmm. You are actually quite stupid arent you?

Well you know what they say about a battle of wits: you should never fight with an unarmed man.

Sorry if I caused you any pain.

 

[Casually Red]

Solidarity statement from the PFLP
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine expresses its solidarity with the Kurdish resistance in Kobane struggling to defend themselves and their community from the reactionary armed group, ISIS, whose entry into our region has been facilitated and supported by imperialist powers and their lackeys.

Comrade Khaled Barakat said that “All Palestinian and Arab revolutionary forces should unify their efforts to support the struggle of the Kurdish resistance in Kobane against ISIS and their imperialist supporters.”

People in Syria, Iraq and everywhere in the region have been under attack by imperialism – an attack that comes not only through air strikes and occupation, but through the support of reactionary regional powers, through the promotion of sectarianism, and through reactionary armed groups carrying out a program of sectarian chaos. They have sought to replace the central conflict in the region: that of the people with Zionism and imperialism, with sectarianism and the imposition of massive, reactionary violence against minority groups who are an integral part of the region, while these same reactionary armed groups leave the Zionist state and imperialist forces untouched. These attacks have been taking place simultaneously with the latest Zionist genocidal assault against the Palestinian people in Gaza. “We stand with the people of Syria who are defending their unity against all attempts to partition the country and plunder its resources for the benefit of imperialism. This is the goal of ISIS and its allies,” Barakat said.

“Today, Kurdish fighters, women and men, struggle for their freedom and their lives against these reactionary groups whose presence in the region has been furnished, armed and supported by imperialism and its allies and agents in the region. It is no accident and not mere symbolism that ISIS is attacking Kobane today with U.S. weaponry,” said Barakat. “In particular, the role of women fighters in the Kurdish resistance at all levels of struggle and leadership present a heroic example of sacrifice.”

“It must also be noted that the role of the Turkish state and government, one of Israel’s largest trading partners and a key military ally of the United States, has been to encourage the entry of these reactionary armed groups (ISIS and others) now attacking Kobane into Syria. At the same time, in the past several days, dozens of Kurdish protesters have been killed by the armed force of the Turkish state. The so-called ‘security zone’ being pushed by France and Turkey, and the airstrikes of the US and its allies, are nothing more than a cover for the entry of imperialism in the region. The only real security can be established by popular struggle and resistance, not imperialist armies and air forces,” Barakat said.

For many years, Palestinian fighters seeking freedom have struggled in the same trench as Kurdish strugglers. “There is a long history of support by Palestinian revolutionaries for Kurdish freedom fighters. We share a common enemy: imperialism. And we also share the common enemy of reactionary sectarian armed groups, like ISIS, who are, at their heart, a creation and a result of imperialism and its occupations and hegemony over the region. Reactionary Arab regimes, in particular Saudi Arabia and Qatar, have played a major role in encouraging, arming and spreading this threat to the people of the region,” said Barakat.

“No solution or assistance for our region will come from imperialist armies or imperialist airstrikes. These forces have only brought terror, sectarianism, reaction, and death wherever they go. It is the struggle of our united peoples that can confront and achieve victory over imperialism and Zionism, the primary sources of terror in the region, and over the vicious reactionary forces that seek to sustain their hegemony and plunder the resources of our people,” Barakat said.

great statement...butchers probably spluttered furiously and crashed his little patrol car mind

 

[Casually Red]

We

So is Israel, last time I looked, so was the UK at the time of the Easter rising.

sos the fucking bastard USA bastard

 

[coley]

Hmm. You are actually quite stupid arent you?

Well you know what they say about a battle of wits: you should never fight with an unarmed man.

Sorry if I caused you any pain.

Hmm, why do you think hold the record of the most 'ignored' poster on here?
Pain? Don't make me larf, in the pain stakes your more of a lightweight than a feather duster.

 

[coley]

Not getting any better.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29606089
More reports of beheadings and the Iraqi army refusing to fight.

 

[butchersapron]

'Disengagement from the revolution might be the key'. I'm not sure I understand this - the key to current PYD problems?

Here's a very timely piece on this:

"Extremists" and "Moderates" in Kobani

I was the last international journalist to visit before the final onslaught began – and witnessed YPG and FSA units side-by-side on the front lines to defend Kobani. So why is the YPG still reluctant to come under the FSA banner, and what is behind the world’s reluctance to support the Syrian Kurds in their stand at Kobani?

Ultimately, it comes down to shifting perceptions of “extremists” and “moderates.”

The YPG took control of Kobani in the summer of 2012 as Syrian regime forces withdrew from the area. A year later, the enclave – hard up against the Turkish border to the North – came under attack from various jihadist and FSA groups, and fighting has continued ever since. Earlier this year, IS fighters wrested control from their former FSA allies of all of the Syrian territory surrounding the enclave. The siege of Kobani gradually worsened as IS forces cut off the town’s electricity and water supply and the smuggling of food and other goods into Kobani became increasingly difficult. Meanwhile, Turkey has mainly kept its border closed, sealing off the enclave from the outside world. After repeated attempts to capture Kobani during the spring and summer, in mid-September IS forces launched what has been their most successful attack to date, and at the time of writing, they had entered parts of the town itself.

 

[butchersapron]

Turkish jets bomb PKK - PKK supposed to have been shelling turkish targets.

 

[butchersapron]

Very concentrated airstrikes + YPG/YPJ advance today in west kobane forced isis to retreat 3 miles.

Before:

After:

 

[coley]

Here's a very timely piece on this:

"Extremists" and "Moderates" in Kobani

About time the West had a re-appraisal of just who are the terrorists in the region!

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh very well. Why you couldn´t do this yourself is beyond me, but since you insist:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2011/10/20111019164441520246.html



Seriously? You really didn´t know that the PKK targetted civilians until I told you?

I ask seriously because, unlike Pickman´s, you´re obviously a rational and reasonably well-informed person. So if you were genuinely unaware of this, we can assume that many other Brits are similarly ill-informed. Which would explain a lot of the ignorant rubbish we´ve been reading on this thread.

So please: a serious answer from you would be appreciated.

from your link:

November 15, 2003 - Thirty people are killed and 146 wounded when car bombs shatter two synagogues in Istanbul. Authorities name two men from southeast Turkey as the suicide bombers, saying the attacks bear the hallmarks of the al Qaeda network.

November 20, 2003 - Thirty-two people are killed and many wounded in two explosions in Istanbul. Part of the HSBC Bank headquarters is destroyed. The British consulate is damaged.

both these aq not pkk

June 24, 2004 - Four people are killed and 15 wounded in an explosion in Istanbul, before former U.S. President George W. Bush was due to arrive in the city.

it doesn't say how did this one - if it was pkk, perhaps you could provide some evidence in the form of an article.

but that's it: the "evidence" you've provided does NOT demonstrate any attacks on civilians in istanbul by the pkk. if you do have some evidence perhaps you'd like to share it with us.

e2a: there is this

February 13, 2006 - Six people are injured, one seriously, after a bomb explodes at a supermarket on the European side of Istanbul. The Kurdistan Liberation Hawks (TAK) claim responsibility for the blast and pledge more attacks.

but doesn't appear to be any real evidence that they're pkk under a different name.

 

[Pickman's model]

You seem to be a mentiroso patalogico. Why else would you lie when all anyone has to do to discover your lie is read the damn thing? This is just the beginning:

Following is a chronology of some of the recent major attacks and bombings in Turkey:

November 15, 2003 - Thirty people are killed and 146 wounded when car bombs shatter two synagogues in Istanbul. Authorities name two men from southeast Turkey as the suicide bombers, saying the attacks bear the hallmarks of the al Qaeda network.
November 20, 2003 - Thirty-two people are killed and many wounded in two explosions in Istanbul. Part of the HSBC Bank headquarters is destroyed. The British consulate is damaged.
June 24, 2004 - Four people are killed and 15 wounded in an explosion in Istanbul, before former U.S. President George W. Bush was due to arrive in the city.
July 2, 2005 - Six people are killed and 15 injured after a bomb planted by Kurdish guerrillas explodes on a train between the eastern towns of Elazig and Tatvan in Bingol province.
July 6, 2005 - A bomb rips through a minibus in the western holiday resort of Kusadasi, killing at least five people, including a British woman and an Irish woman.
February 13, 2006 - Six people are injured, one seriously, after a bomb explodes at a supermarket on the European side of Istanbul. The Kurdistan Liberation Hawks (TAK) claim responsibility for the blast and pledge more attacks.
June 25, 2006 - A blast tears through a tourist area about 100 km east of the southern resort of Antalya, killing four and injuring 28. The Kurdistan Freedom Hawks (TAK), a group liked to the PKK, claims responsibility.
August 27, 2006 - Ten Britons and six Turks are wounded when their minibus is blown up in the tourist town of Marmaris on the Mediterranean coast. Five others are hurt by two other bombs.
August 28, 2006 - Three people are killed and 87 injured in a blast in Antalya, southern Turkey. The TAK claim responsibility.

while the tak may be "liked" to the pkk, i regret i would not take your word for them being linked to the pkk.

 

[coley]

while the tak may be "liked" to the pkk, i regret i would not take your word for them being linked to the pkk.

Given his obvious hatred for all things PKK, I wouldn't take his word for anything, and him being a God botherer n all.

 

[Patteran]

Here's a very timely piece on this:

"Extremists" and "Moderates" in Kobani

'The PYD has built truces when and where it’s been able to, and fought when and where it’s had to'.

Another good link, thanks. There's plenty of intelligent journalism out there - it's a shame it can be so hard to find.

 

[butchersapron]

'The PYD has built truces when and where it’s been able to, and fought when and where it’s had to'.

Another good link, thanks. There's plenty of intelligent journalism out there - it's a shame it can be so hard to find.

Here's something that may help: Syria News River 75+ news feeds funneled into one, refreshed every five minutes

 

[Patteran]

Here's something that may help: Syria News River 75+ news feeds funneled into one, refreshed every five minutes

Ta. That backdrop's as mesmeric as it is mundane - an auld fella putting coolant in a radiator, kids playing in a refugee camp, clean washing drying on a line. Culture is ordinary.

 

[Lemon Eddy]

You seem to be a mentiroso patalogico.

If you're going to be a smart arse and switch to Spanish to call someone a pathological liar, it's probably a good idea to at least get the spelling right - patológico, not patalógico.

 

[CNT36]

The only bombings


The only bombings of the PKK on that list was of police and military not civillians.

You've made a mess of your case and this thread.

And none of the ones in Istanbul directly attributed to the PKK.

 

[Pickman's model]

so unless phildwyer's got some as yet unseen evidence i call bullshit on his claim to hate the pkk because of attacks in istanbul

 

[teqniq]

Has he? How?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Freedom_Falcons
While I certainly don't think the PKK is whiter than white ,@phildwyers link just leads to more questions and he, without fail, sidesteps the PKks attempts to engage in peaceful dialogue.

Ha. Thanks, seems maybe I should have read it more closely.

 

[DrRingDing]

so unless phildwyer's got some as yet unseen evidence i call bullshit on his claim to hate the pkk because of attacks in istanbul

I wasn't aware that he was a believer.....but that explains a lot and is verging on some very dark politics.

 

[butchersapron]

A video tour through some retaken areas.