The39thStep
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That's told you Pickman
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Solidarity statement from the PFLP
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine expresses its solidarity with the Kurdish resistance in Kobane struggling to defend themselves and their community from the reactionary armed group, ISIS, whose entry into our region has been facilitated and supported by imperialist powers and their lackeys.
Comrade Khaled Barakat said that “All Palestinian and Arab revolutionary forces should unify their efforts to support the struggle of the Kurdish resistance in Kobane against ISIS and their imperialist supporters.”
People in Syria, Iraq and everywhere in the region have been under attack by imperialism – an attack that comes not only through air strikes and occupation, but through the support of reactionary regional powers, through the promotion of sectarianism, and through reactionary armed groups carrying out a program of sectarian chaos. They have sought to replace the central conflict in the region: that of the people with Zionism and imperialism, with sectarianism and the imposition of massive, reactionary violence against minority groups who are an integral part of the region, while these same reactionary armed groups leave the Zionist state and imperialist forces untouched. These attacks have been taking place simultaneously with the latest Zionist genocidal assault against the Palestinian people in Gaza. “We stand with the people of Syria who are defending their unity against all attempts to partition the country and plunder its resources for the benefit of imperialism. This is the goal of ISIS and its allies,” Barakat said.
“Today, Kurdish fighters, women and men, struggle for their freedom and their lives against these reactionary groups whose presence in the region has been furnished, armed and supported by imperialism and its allies and agents in the region. It is no accident and not mere symbolism that ISIS is attacking Kobane today with U.S. weaponry,” said Barakat. “In particular, the role of women fighters in the Kurdish resistance at all levels of struggle and leadership present a heroic example of sacrifice.”
“It must also be noted that the role of the Turkish state and government, one of Israel’s largest trading partners and a key military ally of the United States, has been to encourage the entry of these reactionary armed groups (ISIS and others) now attacking Kobane into Syria. At the same time, in the past several days, dozens of Kurdish protesters have been killed by the armed force of the Turkish state. The so-called ‘security zone’ being pushed by France and Turkey, and the airstrikes of the US and its allies, are nothing more than a cover for the entry of imperialism in the region. The only real security can be established by popular struggle and resistance, not imperialist armies and air forces,” Barakat said.
For many years, Palestinian fighters seeking freedom have struggled in the same trench as Kurdish strugglers. “There is a long history of support by Palestinian revolutionaries for Kurdish freedom fighters. We share a common enemy: imperialism. And we also share the common enemy of reactionary sectarian armed groups, like ISIS, who are, at their heart, a creation and a result of imperialism and its occupations and hegemony over the region. Reactionary Arab regimes, in particular Saudi Arabia and Qatar, have played a major role in encouraging, arming and spreading this threat to the people of the region,” said Barakat.
“No solution or assistance for our region will come from imperialist armies or imperialist airstrikes. These forces have only brought terror, sectarianism, reaction, and death wherever they go. It is the struggle of our united peoples that can confront and achieve victory over imperialism and Zionism, the primary sources of terror in the region, and over the vicious reactionary forces that seek to sustain their hegemony and plunder the resources of our people,” Barakat said.
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine expresses its solidarity with the Kurdish resistance in Kobane struggling to defend themselves and their community from the reactionary armed group, ISIS, whose entry into our region has been facilitated and supported by imperialist powers and their lackeys.
Comrade Khaled Barakat said that “All Palestinian and Arab revolutionary forces should unify their efforts to support the struggle of the Kurdish resistance in Kobane against ISIS and their imperialist supporters.”
People in Syria, Iraq and everywhere in the region have been under attack by imperialism – an attack that comes not only through air strikes and occupation, but through the support of reactionary regional powers, through the promotion of sectarianism, and through reactionary armed groups carrying out a program of sectarian chaos. They have sought to replace the central conflict in the region: that of the people with Zionism and imperialism, with sectarianism and the imposition of massive, reactionary violence against minority groups who are an integral part of the region, while these same reactionary armed groups leave the Zionist state and imperialist forces untouched. These attacks have been taking place simultaneously with the latest Zionist genocidal assault against the Palestinian people in Gaza. “We stand with the people of Syria who are defending their unity against all attempts to partition the country and plunder its resources for the benefit of imperialism. This is the goal of ISIS and its allies,” Barakat said.
“Today, Kurdish fighters, women and men, struggle for their freedom and their lives against these reactionary groups whose presence in the region has been furnished, armed and supported by imperialism and its allies and agents in the region. It is no accident and not mere symbolism that ISIS is attacking Kobane today with U.S. weaponry,” said Barakat. “In particular, the role of women fighters in the Kurdish resistance at all levels of struggle and leadership present a heroic example of sacrifice.”
“It must also be noted that the role of the Turkish state and government, one of Israel’s largest trading partners and a key military ally of the United States, has been to encourage the entry of these reactionary armed groups (ISIS and others) now attacking Kobane into Syria. At the same time, in the past several days, dozens of Kurdish protesters have been killed by the armed force of the Turkish state. The so-called ‘security zone’ being pushed by France and Turkey, and the airstrikes of the US and its allies, are nothing more than a cover for the entry of imperialism in the region. The only real security can be established by popular struggle and resistance, not imperialist armies and air forces,” Barakat said.
For many years, Palestinian fighters seeking freedom have struggled in the same trench as Kurdish strugglers. “There is a long history of support by Palestinian revolutionaries for Kurdish freedom fighters. We share a common enemy: imperialism. And we also share the common enemy of reactionary sectarian armed groups, like ISIS, who are, at their heart, a creation and a result of imperialism and its occupations and hegemony over the region. Reactionary Arab regimes, in particular Saudi Arabia and Qatar, have played a major role in encouraging, arming and spreading this threat to the people of the region,” said Barakat.
“No solution or assistance for our region will come from imperialist armies or imperialist airstrikes. These forces have only brought terror, sectarianism, reaction, and death wherever they go. It is the struggle of our united peoples that can confront and achieve victory over imperialism and Zionism, the primary sources of terror in the region, and over the vicious reactionary forces that seek to sustain their hegemony and plunder the resources of our people,” Barakat said.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Isn't Israel and the USA and Russia ?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you've said the pkk have attacked - targeted - civilians in istanbul. yet you refuse to produce evidence. i call bullshit.
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Starry Wisdom
i see dwyer's making more claims he won't substantiate.
Quoted for posterity.
You deny that the PKK have targetted civilians in Istanbul. Nobody else denies that. The PKK certainly don´t deny it. But you do.
However your insane position seems perfectly in line with your insane status as an ex-public school member of Class War. The degree of self-hatred and intellectual confusión that must accompany your role can explain any kind of bizarre behavior.
Yep. All democracies last time I looked. Like Turkey.
That doesn´t mean they´re exempt from criticism. But it does mean that they don´t impose themselves on their citizens by military forcé. Like I said.
You used to be good at this Phil. Pickman's hasn't denied anything he has asked you to back up your claims which is not the same as denying. Links or stfu.
He did deny it:
I´m not going to provide links for something everybody knows to be true. Unless there is anyone else who wants to deny that the PKK have attacked civilian targets in Istanbul?
You wouldn´t deny it yourself, I assume?
Oh very well. Why you couldn´t do this yourself is beyond me, but since you insist:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2011/10/20111019164441520246.html
Seriously? You really didn´t know that the PKK targetted civilians until I told you?
I ask seriously because, unlike Pickman´s, you´re obviously a rational and reasonably well-informed person. So if you were genuinely unaware of this, we can assume that many other Brits are similarly ill-informed. Which would explain a lot of the ignorant rubbish we´ve been reading on this thread.
So please: a serious answer from you would be appreciated.
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Starry Wisdom
so what's your excuse for your inability to back up ypur claims?
phildwyer thankyou
e2a I knew they targeted civilians the question was have they done so in Istanbul, you have answered it with the link
Fair enough.
Here´s another interesting piece from the same site (al-Jazeera):
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...-legitimacy-isil-rhet-201410811141861465.html
Technically a democracy, since the last election there. In the same way that the UK has only been technically a democracy since the ConDems did their deal to hold power.
Both countries are democracies.
That doesn´t mean they´re nice. In the case of Turkey, the AK Party´s instincts are profoundly undemocratic. I´ve already described some of my experience with them on this thread. I´ve had other experiences with them that were even less pleasant. They´re trying to ensure that their power is permanent, and they´re certainly not above using undemocratic means to that end.
Nevertheless, they were democratically elected. Three times. By landslides. It´s important not to lose sight of that fact.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
So the curfews imposed by the Turkish army in Kurdish areas in Turkey are not an imposition on their citizens by military force?
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
"Most of Kobani's wounded are brought to the hospital in Suruc. Two emergency room nurses taking a short break recounted the chaos of the past few weeks.
"We usually see 25-30 wounded a day. They are serious injuries. Mostly from gunshots and shrapnel," said one of the nurses who only identified himself as Mehmet. The nurses estimated that 70 percent of the wounded are fighters, while the rest are civilians."
This surprised me - that YPG fighters are able to get across the border into Turkey & receive medical treatment - local Turkish security services taking a different line to Erdogan's public pronouncements? I guess all land borders are porous. I'd heard twitter rumours/allegations of Daesh doing this, but not Kurdish fighters (If they're being treated in the same hospitals there's gonna be some awkward moments in the lifts & round the vending machines).
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
The only bombings
The only bombings of the PKK on that list was of police and military not civillians.
You've made a mess of your case and this thread.
The only bombings of the PKK on that list was of police and military not civillians.
You've made a mess of your case and this thread.
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Starry Wisdom
not the first time he's been caught out as a lying shit: & doubtless not the last
coley
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We
So is Israel, last time I looked, so was the UK at the time of the Easter rising.
coley
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I quite believe that many Kurds don't like the PKK, just that PDs claim that all Kurds reject them, but it would seem that most Kurds that PD goes on about are the Hezbollah Sunni Kurds, which is rather like saying most of the Irish hate the IRA based on polls taken from within the Orange order!Wouldn't highlighting divisions within kurdish society based on support for or violent rejection of the PKK (and the story of their past internal feuds that left thousands dead) - as found in those articles - indicate at least some kurds don't support the PKK? I'm not sure that you're saying the majority of kurds support the PKK or if you're just rejecting what looks like a total OTT claim from PD though. Which, i guess, is why i shouldn't try and intervene in a discussion when one half of it is on ignore
coley
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coley
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Ask the Kurds if they prefer flowery Shyte like this as opposed to an air drop of anti tank weaponry from the West?
Answers on a postcard.
coley
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phildwyer thankyou
e2a I knew they targeted civilians the question was have they done so in Istanbul, you have answered it with the link
Has he? How?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Freedom_Falcons
While I certainly don't think the PKK is whiter than white ,@phildwyers link just leads to more questions and he, without fail, sidesteps the PKks attempts to engage in peaceful dialogue.
Carried out by a democratically elected government.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
But when Lucy turned around, the wardrobe wasn't there any more.
All hail to the Dwyer, I have never seen Pickmans so openly destroyed
Heh. Thanks. The truth is though, its not exactly difficult to destroy an ex-public schoolboy who joins Class War and spends the rest of his life banging on about what horrible bastards ex-public schoolboys are. Pickmans very existence is a contradiction in terms.
When? And with whom?
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