The Islamic state

[gorski]

Hi, Phil! And likewise!

I agree, broadly speaking, but my point is that both sides are bloody-eyed and at that point, I fear, both sides will have to exhaust all means at their disposal before they realise that they can NOT destroy one another militarily - and only then will the political solution be sought!

Then, for instance, US may ask itself, "What if we put all that money in that part of the world in the form of investments, both as education for those kids, good nutrition and health programs, as well as cheap loans to various local businesses, helping stabilise those countries medium and long term, not only here and now?!?" - instead of funding their own black ops and corporations with sackfuls and literally tons of cash...

But for that a great change in the US will be needed. And guess what: I fear only the US Right will be able to get out of there militarily, in order to engage properly (see Nixon, for instance), whereas the Libs/Progressives will be constantly at a defensive and hence...

Achhhh, it's all too convoluted for words...

The world is a seriously shitty place for way too many. But they are mostly at a loss as to what really needs doing, in order to change it properly...

 

[butchersapron]

Though the airstrikes have failed to keep Islamic State from advancing in the field, they have apparently succeeded in dismantling its sophisticated oil network, reducing the movement’s ability to make gasoline and diesel for its tanks and trucks and cutting off a vital source of funding. A report from the International Energy Agency in Paris has just estimated that Islamic State controls only about 20,000 barrels of daily oil production, down from about 70,000 as of August. Most of it remains in Iraq.

http://mobile.businessweek.com/arti...strikes-cut-isis-oil-production-by-70-percent

 

[Casually Red]

Aye, and IS know if they don't succeed here they will lose a lot of credibility so they keep hoying reinforcements in which in turn make nice targets. It would be a game changer if Turkey relented and allowed reinforcements in.

unlikely in the extreme as erdogan has now sent his airforce out to flatten a Kurdish village instead

the cunts an ally and sponsor of those bastards and effectively acting in concert with them . The so called campaign against them is only a joke.

 

[TomUS]

The air strikes & the tenacious Kurds may be having an effect.

Islamic State militants are retreating in parts of the strategic Syrian town of Kobane, a Kurdish official has said.

Idriss Nassan told the BBC IS had lost control of more than 20% of the town in recent days.

US defence officials say hundreds of militants have been killed around Kobane as US-led air strikes intensify.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29629357

 

[coley]

unlikely in the extreme as erdogan has now sent his airforce out to flatten a Kurdish village instead

the cunts an ally and sponsor of those bastards and effectively acting in concert with them . The so called campaign against them is only a joke.

Not wanting a derail, but Erdogan is making a serious misjudgment,IMO, he will end up with a civil war and the loss of Western support for his actions against the Kurds, as has Israel and their actions against Gaza,people are losing their cozily held misconceptions as to who are really the " good guys and bad guys" in the region.

Keep suckering them in

"US defence department spokesman John Kirby said "several hundred" militants had been killed in and around the besieged town, though "it could very well still fall" to IS"

 

[DrRingDing]

Could you either explain that last bit or withdraw it please?

Christians have a bit of history with turning a blind eye to atrocities against the left.

 

[Humberto]

Christians have a bit of history with turning a blind eye to atrocities against the left.

Leave it out.

 

[coley]

Christians have a bit of history with turning a blind eye to atrocities against the left.

In honesty, that could apply to most religions.
But as crispy has asked, can we keep it to the QIH, ta

 

[DrRingDing]

In honesty, that could apply to most religions.

Absolutely. Don't let anything interfere with your dirty little devices.

 

[coley]

Absolutely. Don't let anything interfere with your dirty little devices.

Eh?

 

[Red Storm]

Dutch bikers join fight against Islamic State in Iraq

There was no indication that they were using motorbikes.

 

[DrRingDing]

Eh?

The scum rising to the top of religious organisations I hypothesise (i've had a couple of jars) are often not true believers.

 

[DrRingDing]

In honesty, that could apply to most religions.
But as crispy has asked, can we keep it to the QIH, ta

Crispy handed in his badge a long time ago.

 

[coley]

The scum rising to the top of religious organisations I hypothesise (i've had a couple of jars) are often not true believers.

Totally agree, just sounded like you were having a pop at me personally, had a few jars mesel, so lets not get too complicated

 

[DrRingDing]

Totally agree, just sounded like you were having a pop at me personally, had a few jars mesel, so lets not get too complicated

No dig at you. Taking out comrade Felipe to task for his trolling of this thread.

 

[Casually Red]

Not wanting a derail, but Erdogan is making a serious misjudgment,IMO, he will end up with a civil war and the loss of Western support for his actions against the Kurds, as has Israel, people are losing their cozily held misconceptions as to who are really the " good guys and bad guys" in the region.

id said the other day thered be a price for letting them use the bases and turning a blind eye to him bombing Kurdish villages was plainly it ..or at least part of it. not a whisper of condemnation . Hs response to the loonies assault on the Kurds has been to blockade and now bomb the Kurds
his big miscalculation was trying to do in Assad ..every blunder from then on stems from that original blunder . Now hes like a demented gambler chasing his lost money by still backing the same horse over and over . Wont end well for hm the rotten bastard .

 

[DaveCinzano]

Their were a few chemical ieds found in Iraq most people belived they were made by mistake as not terribly effective against armour

There was an interesting NYT article the other day on chemical weapon casualties amongst US military and Iraqi police personnel, and how they were hushed up:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...t/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

ETA: Just realised you were responding to a post linking to an Independent article rehashing the same.

 

[TomUS]

id said the other day thered be a price for letting them use the bases and turning a blind eye to him bombing Kurdish villages was plainly it ..or at least part of it. not a whisper of condemnation . Hs response to the loonies assault on the Kurds has been to blockade and now bomb the Kurds
his big miscalculation was trying to do in Assad ..every blunder from then on stems from that original blunder . Now hes like a demented gambler chasing his lost money by still backing the same horse over and over . Wont end well for hm the rotten bastard .

Yes. And the Turks deny making an agreement to let the US use bases in Turkey. NS adviser Susan Rice jumped the gun on that one.

 

[8ball]

Yes. And the Turks deny making an agreement to let the US use bases in Turkey. NS adviser Susan Rice jumped the gun on that one.

Is she related to Condie? Or Tim? Or Pilau?

 

[Casually Red]

Yes. And the Turks deny making an agreement to let the US use bases in Turkey. NS adviser Susan Rice jumped the gun on that one.

true and well spotted ...forgot all about that one .

 

[TomUS]

Is she related to Condie? Or Tim? Or Pilau?

Not to that bitch Condie, or the others AFAIK.

 

[phildwyer]

Christians have a bit of history with turning a blind eye to atrocities against the left.

Who on this thread is a Christian? You?

 

[phildwyer]

Not wanting a derail, but Erdogan is making a serious misjudgment,IMO, he will end up with a civil war

Why do you think there will be a civil war in Turkey?

No-one else has predicted this. So I wonder where you get your information?

the loss of Western support for his actions against the Kurds

The West has never supported Erdogan's policy towards the Kurds.

as has Israel and their actions against Gaza,people are losing their cozily held misconceptions as to who are really the " good guys and bad guys" in the region.

Keep suckering them in

Now you've stopped making sense altogether. You mentioned that you've been drinking this evening.

had a few jars mesel, so lets not get too complicated

I suggest that in future you refrain from posting until you are sober.

 

[TomUS]

US concentration on Kobane is causing serious lack of air support in Anbar where Iraqi forces lost one base & are barely hanging on to another & are begging for air support. The US & its "coalition" is stretched thin & is in reaction mode. If Turkey would join the fight (against ISIS not the Kurds) or at least allow US planes to fly from bases in Turkey.....but Erdogan seems obsessed with the PKK "threat."

With the U.S. seemingly focused on helping Kurdish militias fight off an Islamic State advance at Kobani on the Turkey-Syria border, Islamist militants this week have seized one key military base in Iraq’s Anbar province and have laid siege to another, with no major increase in U.S. air support for the beleaguered Iraqi security forces.

Reports from Kobani indicate that intense U.S. airstrikes there have driven back Islamic State fighters, while in Anbar the militants’ advance has been unrelenting.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/10/15/243506_iraqis-desperate-for-air-cover.html?sp=/99/100/&rh=1

 

[Mr Moose]

Lots of different tweeting indicating the assault has gone badly for ISIS who are being beaten back. Hard to figure the value of individual sources esp the mainstream reporting, but there is optimism.

If so and they retreat the town they would presumably be highly vulnerable . Maybe they have overreached.

 

[Pickman's model]

Lots of different tweeting indicating the assault has gone badly for ISIS who are being beaten back. Hard to figure the value of individual sources esp the mainstream reporting, but there is optimism.

If so and they retreat the town they would presumably be highly vulnerable . Maybe they have overreached.

do you think the plucky defenders of kobane will pursue them as they flee headlong into the desert?

 

[inva]

"@BBCKasraNaji on Turkish-Syria border says Kurdish commander in #Kobane told him IS fighters have been driven out from most the town."
link

for a little bit more detail Kasra Naji's own tweet says:
"Kurds defending #Kobani say IS fighters have been driven out of all the areas of the town - except for two pockets in eastern fringes."
link

probably needs more confirming though

 

[Mr Moose]

do you think the plucky defenders of kobane will pursue them as they flee headlong into the desert?

I don't know. Hasn't been the Peshmerga/PKK way to go dashing off in pursuit, but I'm not sure how they'll feel after collecting up all the decapitated bodies.

But the American's certainly could with air power as they did after Kuwait.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't know. Hasn't been the Peshmerga way to go dashing off in pursuit, but I'm not sure how they'll feel after collecting up all the decapitated bodies.

But the American's certainly could with air power as they did after Kuwait.

Not peshmerga fighting here mate. Have a read of last few pages to get up to speed.

 

[Mr Moose]

Not peshmerga fighting here mate. Have a read of last few pages to get up to speed.

Sorry had appreciated that and was editing.