The Islamic state

[Spymaster]

I've got to say I think CR is spot on .....

Now there's a line you won't see again!

For me this was a targeted PR exercise in the first instance to soften up the country to the acceptability of bombing in Syria and it had the added benefit of putting back in the box (literally) a couple of mouthy Brits who had taunted the government and security services on you tube.

With the added benefit of letting the scumbags know that they can be hit anytime, anywhere, and whilst they're spending time and resources searching the skies and dodging drones, they're not beheading and torching people or making territorial gains.

Good stuff.

 

[killer b]

good blog from David Allen Green here: When does the UK government have licence to kill?

 

[frogwoman]

Thats an excellent piece killer b, especially the bit about the ira in gibraltar

 

[Spymaster]

good blog from David Allen Green here: When does the UK government have licence to kill?

I most agree with this bit:

If the UK government wants to re-introduce a general “shoot to kill” policy, but one using drones rather than snipers, then it should say so plainly.

And they have:

"We wouldn't hesitate to take similar action again," Mr Fallon told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

Islamic State conflict: UK 'would repeat Syria drone strike' - BBC News

 

[Pickman's model]

imagine the fun you could have with a drone chasing cameron round the garden at chequers

 

[Mr Moose]

imagine the fun you could have with a drone chasing cameron round the garden at chequers

To the 'Benny Hill' theme.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Be interesting to see the daily mail reaction should another country start a drone campaign within the UK ,targeting unsavoury people that might be plotting mischief

 

[Pickman's model]

Be interesting to see the daily mail reaction should another country start a drone campaign within the UK ,targeting unsavoury people that might be plotting mischief

you mean 'the government'

 

[elbows]

Have we used drones to kill any innocent Brazilian electricians yet?

 

[Pickman's model]

Have we used drones to kill any innocent Brazilian electricians yet?

no brazilian electricians were hurt in the making of this policy

 

[DotCommunist]

Have we used drones to kill any innocent Brazilian electricians yet?

no, but its not even lunchtime yet

 

[kebabking]

I asked you a question as to why you instinctively believe pathological liars and corrupt criminals . From your response it's obvious you don't consider them as such. So you've answered my question pretty much . You plainly have faith in them and regard them as a reliable source of information who don't even have to show you any proof for you to instinctively believe them . Despite their long and ignoble track record of patholigical self serving lies .

do you believe weather forecasts, or when your driving examiner told you that you'd passed your test?

i believe government when what it says sounds plausible and isn't seriously contradicted by verifiable, or much more plausible suggestions. i asked you if you'd like to present ideas that in your view are more plausible than the version suggested by government, and we could debate both their own plausibility/proveability and in comparision to the governments claims - oddly, for one never short of a theory contrary to government claims, you've not suggested one..

so what is it?

these three charactors were infact MI6 officers who had somehow found proof that infact IS was directed by Buckingham Palace?

that these charactors had discovered that David Cameron and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi are infact the same person - after all, they've never been seen at the same place at the same time...?

that IS is a fiction dreamt-up to provide a cover for experiments with Chemtrails?

please, do educate us....

 

[laptop]

Be interesting to see the daily mail reaction should another country start a drone campaign within the UK ,targeting unsavoury people that might be plotting mischief

What is the Russian for "drone"?

 

[kebabking]

What is the Russian for "drone"?

Casually Red.

 

[Spymaster]

 

[DownwardDog]

What is the Russian for "drone"?

Usually they say Беспилотные летательные аппараты. "without pilot flying apparatus".

Russian ones are shit like just about everything else they make.

 

[DownwardDog]

Casually Red.

Good arrows.

 

[Pickman's model]

Usually they say Беспилотные летательные аппараты. "without pilot flying apparatus".

Russian ones are shit like just about everything else they make.

yeh yeh

 

[Mr Moose]

It's an indulgence to assume everything the Government says is a lie and that they all have horns. It just doesn't work like that. You can also safely assume that IS are no real threat to us if you don't ever want to holiday abroad or have a child who could be radicalised.

But the Govt won't make it easy because any truth will soon be followed by BS and mission creep. And they are all over the place making it up and responding to public opinion on the hoof. Dangerous.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's an indulgence to assume everything the Government says is a lie and that they all have horns. It just doesn't work like that. You can also safely assume that IS are no real threat to us if you don't ever want to holiday abroad or have a child who could be radicalised.

But the Govt won't make it easy because any truth will soon be followed by BS and mission creep. And they are all over the place making it up and responding to public opinion on the hoof. Dangerous.

a lot of what the government say is true, or mostly true. keen-eyed posters will recollect that much of capital is based on information from the 'blue books' marx consulted in the british museum reading room. a lot of the information collected and published by the government is collected, and published, for their own administrative ends and so needs to be accurate. there are tho many occasions on which, er, infelicities escape them - similar to the contortions the police go through when they kill someone.

 

[frogwoman]

It's an indulgence to assume everything the Government says is a lie and that they all have horns. It just doesn't work like that. You can also safely assume that IS are no real threat to us if you don't ever want to holiday abroad or have a child who could be radicalised.

But the Govt won't make it easy because any truth will soon be followed by BS and mission creep. And they are all over the place making it up and responding to public opinion on the hoof. Dangerous.

This.
And i dont think its stage managed fwiw

I dont think the government have the faintest idea what they're doing, in a way that's scarier

 

[Pickman's model]

This.
And i dont think its stage managed fwiw

I dont think the government have the faintest idea what they're doing, in a way that's scarier

yeh, when i was young i thought the government knew what they were up to. and that was bad enough. now i know they haven't a clew and that's worse.

 

[ViolentPanda]

A certain irony in a slave owner warning of tyrany and oppresion!

Only from our historical perspective, though. At the time, there was no irony perceived in such a view by those who held it,or by most of those who opposed slavery.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Tricking there way towards war. As others have pointed out that would be a very bad idea. I'm not that informed, what is the Obama administrations outlook and likely moves? Everyone knows Britain hasn't the capacity to act alone. Not least because they are not allowed to.

This isn't about war. This is about keeping things short of all-out war, but (for the UK and US) keeping the fighting away from the oil-lands and pipelines as much as possible.
As for "acting alone", it's entirely likely that the UK were acting alone. There's not a lot of toe-treading between the security elements of nation-states when it comes to liquidating opponents - a dead enemy is a dead enemy; one less infantryman with an AK.

 

[frogwoman]

Hope it doesnt end up as some sort of permanent weapons lab shit for all the various sides like in gaza

 

[ViolentPanda]

Hope it doesnt end up as some sort of permanent weapons lab shit for all the various sides like in gaza

Every battle, in every war since at least the Peninsular War, has been a weapons lab, frankly.

 

[frogwoman]

But keeping the war going indefinitely so every side and their allies are able to make money from it is a pretty awful prospect that's what the israelis have done in gaza and i bet there are some in other defence industries (or prospective defence industries) that would like to replicate it here. Too awful to think about.

 

[Casually Red]

I find your refusal to accept anything the State says as true as a bit odd to be honest! It must leave you in some strange positions.

No stranger than Jeremy paxman wondering why is this lying bastard lying to me .
However I think you are conflating a refusal to instinctively believe them when they provide no proof for their assertions , and when I've outlined why I find their assertions unlikely, with a refusal to believe them when they say they are cutting benefits .
They said these guys were an imminent threat to Britain . I think that's bullshit frankly . And I've outlined why . Unlike them .

 

[Casually Red]

do you believe weather forecasts, or when your driving examiner told you that you'd passed your test?

i believe government when what it says sounds plausible and isn't seriously contradicted by verifiable, or much more plausible suggestions. i asked you if you'd like to present ideas that in your view are more plausible than the version suggested by government, and we could debate both their own plausibility/proveability and in comparision to the governments claims - oddly, for one never short of a theory contrary to government claims, you've not suggested one..

so what is it?

these three charactors were infact MI6 officers who had somehow found proof that infact IS was directed by Buckingham Palace?

that these charactors had discovered that David Cameron and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi are infact the same person - after all, they've never been seen at the same place at the same time...?

that IS is a fiction dreamt-up to provide a cover for experiments with Chemtrails?

please, do educate us....

It doesn't sound remotely plausible . If it did you'd be outlining to us what conceivable threat these assholes could pose to British national security as opposed to engaging in hyperbolic sarcasm and straw men , to mask the fact even you can't think of one .

 

[Spymaster]

They said these guys were an imminent threat to Britain . I think that's bullshit frankly . And I've outlined why . Unlike them .

But in your view the "imminent threat" could only be them coming to the UK and personally having a tear up.