The Islamic state

[Casually Red]

But in your view the "imminent threat" could only be them coming to the UK and personally having a tear up.

Oh no , conceivably they could send drones over to do it .

 

[Spymaster]

Oh no , conceivably they could send drones over to do it .

Or ..... ?

 

[Casually Red]

Or what ?

 

[Casually Red]

Dearie me...it looks like good al Qaeda might be trying to mend fences with bad al Qaeda . Quite the olive branch here from Al zawahiri .

Al Qaeda calls Islamic State illegitimate but suggests cooperation

Also the Syrian army took back those oil fields they lost to IS just the other day .

 

[LDC]

It doesn't sound remotely plausible . If it did you'd be outlining to us what conceivable threat these assholes could pose to British national security as opposed to engaging in hyperbolic sarcasm and straw men , to mask the fact even you can't think of one .

It sounds totally plausible to me that they could be a immediate threat to the UK while still being, and remaining, abroad. I can see a number of scenarios where their involvement is key to something happening in the UK, and I'm surprised you can't.

Anyway this all feels a bit like the re-arranging deckchairs on the Titanic cliche. It's all very interesting, but it's pretty tragic that we (the collective social movement we) actually seem to have no power to influence what happens either way with this and the bigger related and scary picture.

 

[teqniq]

50 Spies Say ISIS Intelligence Was Cooked

 

[camouflage]

same same.

 

[frogwoman]

Islamic State uses image of Alan Kurdi to threaten Syrian refugees for fleeing

They're also claiming to have a chinese and a norwegian hostage. Maybe this will see an end to all the stupid stories of their fighters being sent to europe on boats but i doubt it somehow

 

[frogwoman]

UK envoy makes new legal argument for drone killings in Syria

Britain’s envoy to the United Nations has provided a further legal justification for the RAF killing of Islamic State fighters in Syria, declaring that it was on behalf of the “collective self-defence of Iraq”.

The new explanation, which was not disclosed to MPs at Westminster immediately after David Cameron told parliament about the killings, is contained in the text of a letter sent by Matthew Rycroft, the UK’s permanent representative to the UN in New York.

The letter dated 7 September but made public for the first time on Thursday was obtained by the London-based human rights group Reprieve, which has questioned the legality of the drone strike on 21 August that killed two British jihadis, Reyaad Khan and Ruhul Amin, in the Syrian city of Raqqa.

The letter cites the justification given by Downing Street for the killing, referring to Article 51 of the UN charter: “This airstrike was a necessary and proportionate exercise of the individual right of self-defence of the United Kingdom.”

Rycroft’s letter goes on to state: “As reported in our letter of 25 November 2014, Isil is engaged in an ongoing armed attack against Iraq, and therefore action against Isil in Syria is lawful in the collective self-defence of Iraq.”

 

[elbows]

Another euphemism for the collection then. Collective self-defence.

 

[teqniq]

They are desperate to bomb the fuck out of something, anything.

 

[frogwoman]

Norwegian ISIS hostage 'obsessed' by Syria - The Local

Strange story about one of the hostages here


A university friend, who has not been named, told the TV2 channel that Grimsgaard-Ofstad had sympathised with a right-wing extremist group lead by Arne Myrdal, who was convicted of planning to bomb an asylum centre in 1988.


During his time at university, he was involved in several clashes between anarchist and socialist youth in the "Blitz" movement and supported the far-right People's Movement Against Immigration (FMI).

"He was drawn to the extreme. Now, he is totally obsessed with the war in Syria, and on Facebook he calls himself an identitarianist," the man told TV2.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Do you really believe that these fuckwits who were actually on the telly ..and every national newspaper in Britain...barefacedly openly boasting about their IS exploits were about to sneak into Britain ...somehow...by submarine or parachute etc ? Because theres no way they were getting in by usual channels . That if IS wanted to attack such events they'd send complete glaring , honking red lights instead of the creeping multitudes of clean skins they have at their disposal ? People who at the very least weren't all over the BB bloody C talking about what they were up to .

You actually believe this ?

They don't have to come back personally, as individuals, but they do form part of and collaborate with the death cult that will try to send terrorists back, and they may even play a part in the preparation for that. Bomb dem!!!

Also, for your knowledge, at least one of them who starred in a decapitation video did try to get back into the country. He was driven by his brother from Bulgaria and was arrested trying to gain entry to the UK. But don't worry though, none of the rest of the families of these people have got anything to do with their sons or daughter's actions.

 

[elbows]

Poisonous seepage.

 

[Casually Red]

It sounds totally plausible to me that they could be a immediate threat to the UK while still being, and remaining, abroad. I can see a number of scenarios where their involvement is key to something happening in the UK, and I'm surprised you can't.

Anyway this all feels a bit like the re-arranging deckchairs on the Titanic cliche. It's all very interesting, but it's pretty tragic that we (the collective social movement we) actually seem to have no power to influence what happens either way with this and the bigger related and scary picture.

What seems much more plausible to me, against a deliberately crafted backdrop of clamour for direct military action against Syria , that have been going on for years but intensified again recently, is that these twats were handy fodder in order to dip the british military toe in the syrian water .
Something Putin appears to have scuppered, yet again .

Their supposed imminent threat to the UK seems to have curiously coincided with the UKs imminent threat to Syria . I smell bullshit on that one .

 

[frogwoman]

‘Terrorist’ Troll Pretended to Be ISIS, White Supremacist, and Jewish Lawyer

Remember the guy who wrote the 'Genocide is Permissible" article on the Times of Israel last year??

Look what hes been up to since

 

[frogwoman]

Remote control vs Islamic State: a new phase

Quite depressing and critical article about the drones here

UK government sources have said that Britain has a full legal right to carry out these targeted killings and that other countries also have such a right of self-defence. The implications are huge, since this thinking could be applied in many other areas of conflict. Within a few years, ten or more countries will have indigenous capabilities and will be able to point to American and especially British actions.

What this means, for example, is that Russia could readily argue that it had the full right to target Russian citizens in Ukraine, Belarus or elsewhere if there was no means of extraditing them. If at some time in the future Russia demands that the UK government hands over dissidents regarded as direct threats to the state, and if Britain refuses, then Russia might claim the right to carry out targeted assassinations in the UK. The same could apply to China in Myanmar, Thailand or Vietnam; or Turkeyagainst PKK elements in Iraq; or indeed Iran against a claimed terrorist group also in Iraq.

 

[DotCommunist]

it'll only get worse when they make them semi autonomous. And people may roll thier eyes and mutter 'sci fi bollocks' but 20 years ago there were no drones and now check it out. Give them a limited patrol/refuel/target aquisition/fire controls then its going to be blowing up every wedding party and funeral.

 

[kebabking]

Remote control vs Islamic State: a new phase

Quite depressing and critical article about the drones here

not really, that reality is here already - Russia has carried out an assasination on UK soil with a weapon that left a trail of collatoral damage a mile wide around everything it went near. assasination of dissidents/threats/whistle-blowers in 'safe' countries has been happening since i was a kid - Libyans did it, Iranians did it, Iraqies did it, Bulgarians did it and i don't doubt half a hundred other countries do it. using a UAV/UCAV/RPAS/whatever-this-weeks-term-is not only messier, but its much more incriminating - its also much easier to stop, given the number of countries who can actually produce a stealthy/LO UAV rather than just tell everyone they've got one.

far easier to spend $100,000 on a low grade hitman with some element - for gullable morons - of plausible deniability than a very expensive missile from a staggeringly expensive UAV thats got 'made in x' written all over it.

 

[Evander]

Islamic State uses image of Alan Kurdi to threaten Syrian refugees for fleeing

They're also claiming to have a chinese and a norwegian hostage. Maybe this will see an end to all the stupid stories of their fighters being sent to europe on boats but i doubt it somehow

They're already here, missus - they're already here!

 

[camouflage]

They're already here, missus - they're already here!

To be fair a lot of em came from here in the first place.

 

[camouflage]

not really, that reality is here already - Russia has carried out an assasination on UK soil with a weapon that left a trail of collatoral damage a mile wide around everything it went near.

Bonkers state sponsored conspiracy theory that... are you into holographic airplanes too?

 

[frogwoman]

150914_Trends_in_Iraqi_Violence_Casualties.pdf

Trends in Iraqi violence, casualties and impact of war 2003-15

(Not read it yet or anything though)

 

[frogwoman]

 

[frogwoman]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...i-yazidis-join-exodus-to-europe-10498497.html




Been relatively little reported about this recently. Horrible story. According to the article 80% of yazidis want to leave

 

[kebabking]

Bonkers state sponsored conspiracy theory that... are you into holographic airplanes too?

you not have newspapers in the Kremlin? idiot.

 

[camouflage]

you not have newspapers in the Kremlin? idiot.

I've seen this before, the Slavic sounding broken english is the bulk of your rebuttal... ending in the word idiot. I suppose for you- that suffices. Still, if 'the newspapers' said it then woah, I guess that's iron-clad.

 

[Casually Red]

I've seen this before, the Slavic sounding broken english is the bulk of your rebuttal... ending in the word idiot. I suppose for you- that suffices. Still, if 'the newspapers' said it then woah, I guess that's iron-clad.

It is for him especially

 

[J Ed]

This blog post by a British Daesh member is both surreal and unintentionally hilarious, he sounds like a bitter racist expat more than a fearless mujahid

Unfortunately, Arabs run the system here in Shām and they are, from what is apparent, the laziest and unfit for their jobs

...

The typical Arab in administration tends to be very lazy.

...

Another ‘great’ feature of Arabs in administration is that there is no queue in any of their offices. You could be waiting in line for half an hour and then another Arab would come and push in the queue and go straight in. Even more ironic is that he would even barge in front of the guy who is speaking to the admin. It’s not unusual for Arabs to push in nor is it unusual for them to interrupt you while you’re speaking to the admin. And because the admin is also an Arab he also sees no issue in another person interrupting you. Strange indeed how he can be speaking to you one second, listening to your concern, and then totally ignore you and talk to another guy who just pushed in and deal with his case, even though this new guy may take about 10 or 20 minutes of his time; and when he finishes dealing with him, he will look at you, and without apologising expect you to remind him of everything you were saying.

...

So what is the solution to dealing with Arabs in administration? The solution is twofold. Number one; to pray to Allāh that He replaces the Arabs with others who know what they are doing. Number two; and a more practical solution, is to shout at them while asking for what you need. Although this may sound quite harsh, this is the only solution, and many westerners have learnt this the long and hard way.

...

Arabs in administration is a recipe for disaster.

 

[bendeus]

I wonder if the German jihadis bagsy the best seats at the beheadings by getting their towels down early doors