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It's dealt with one sidedly , by unquestioningly accepting the assertions of fanatics with every motive to discredit the government, and not looking for any other answers . All of those released prisoners hadn't actually " done " anything .whether students or mujahideen they were imprisoned under decades old state of emergency laws . Those laws were repealed at the insistence of the protestors and anyone arrested and imprisoned under them were treated exactly the same .
Accounts by others make clear that upon their release they immediately joined up with other jihadi groups who were already in the field carrying out attacks . Syria didn't need to release fighters to create an Islamic insurgency when there were already AQ there in their droves and flooding in from the 4 corners of the earth being directly aided by a string of foreign states . And with opposition leaders making repeated public appeals for just exactly that . Opposition leaders who clasped these vipers to their bosom from day one and praised them to the high heavens . But now they blame Assad , par for the course .

What happened there was absolutely no different to what happened in the UK in the 1920s and 1970s respectively , in Frongoch in Wales and Long Kesh outside Belfast . Internees were all mixed in together, whether civil rights protestors or hardened insurgents . When internment was rescinded they were all released together . Nobody but a fantasist would be making the claim that the British government deliberately created the IRA in the 1920s and 1970s .
The people making those claims in Syria almost without fail belong to groups which are funded and aided by states who've been enabling a jihadist terrorist campaign for years . Pointing the finger at Assad and well away from themselves is naturally in their interests . And they naturally enough pay people and instruct them to parrot their line .
 
It's dealt with one sidedly , by unquestioningly accepting the assertions of fanatics with every motive to discredit the government, and not looking for any other answers . All of those released prisoners hadn't actually " done " anything .whether students or mujahideen they were imprisoned under decades old state of emergency laws . Those laws were repealed at the insistence of the protestors and anyone arrested and imprisoned under them were treated exactly the same .
Accounts by others make clear that upon their release they immediately joined up with other jihadi groups who were already in the field carrying out attacks . Syria didn't need to release fighters to create an Islamic insurgency when there were already AQ there in their droves and flooding in from the 4 corners of the earth being directly aided by a string of foreign states . And with opposition leaders making repeated public appeals for just exactly that . Opposition leaders who clasped these vipers to their bosom from day one and praised them to the high heavens . But now they blame Assad , par for the course .

What happened there was absolutely no different to what happened in the UK in the 1920s and 1970s respectively , in Frongoch in Wales and Long Kesh outside Belfast . Internees were all mixed in together, whether civil rights protestors or hardened insurgents . When internment was rescinded they were all released together . Nobody but a fantasist would be making the claim that the British government deliberately created the IRA in the 1920s and 1970s .
The people making those claims in Syria almost without fail belong to groups which are funded and aided by states who've been enabling a jihadist terrorist campaign for years . Pointing the finger at Assad and well away from themselves is naturally in their interests . And they naturally enough pay people and instruct them to parrot their line .
frongoch 1916/17 not 1920s
 
...looks like a pretty interesting "parapolitics" take on ISIS and the ME in general...



www.amazon.co.uk

In his disturbing and timely book Jean-Pierre Filiu lays bare the strategies and tactics employed by the Middle Eastern autocracies, above all those of Syria, Egypt, Yemen and Algeria, that set out to crush the democratic uprisings of the 'Arab Revolution'. In pursuit of these goals they turned to the intelligence agencies and internal security arms of the 'deep state ', the armed forces and to street gangs such as the Shabiha to enforce their will. Alongside physical intimidation, imprisonment and murder, Arab counter- revolutionaries discredited and split their opponents by boosting Salafi Jihadi groups such as Islamic State. They also released from prison hardline Islamists and secretly armed and funded them.
 
...looks like a pretty interesting "parapolitics" take on ISIS and the ME in general...



www.amazon.co.uk

In his disturbing and timely book Jean-Pierre Filiu lays bare the strategies and tactics employed by the Middle Eastern autocracies, above all those of Syria, Egypt, Yemen and Algeria, that set out to crush the democratic uprisings of the 'Arab Revolution'. In pursuit of these goals they turned to the intelligence agencies and internal security arms of the 'deep state ', the armed forces and to street gangs such as the Shabiha to enforce their will. Alongside physical intimidation, imprisonment and murder, Arab counter- revolutionaries discredited and split their opponents by boosting Salafi Jihadi groups such as Islamic State. They also released from prison hardline Islamists and secretly armed and funded them.

Yup, they did it to themselves. These Arabs and their Shabiha eh. \sarc
 
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Yup, they did it to themselves. These Arabs and their Shabiha eh.

In fact, there is the allegation that Bashir Assad released barking Islamists from prison specifically to split the opposition to him... described by Martin Chulov here - he also acknowleged the (presumably unintended) effect of US detention policy in Iraq here.
 
from the blurb :

They also released from prison hardline Islamists and secretly armed and funded them.


CR addressess the first part of the statement...basically agreeing with it....I don't think this necessarily disproves the second part ( with which he clearly doesn't agree ) as to whether there is any subsequent covert interaction or relationship designed to foster internecine violence amongst their opposition ....

....seems a resonable bit of realpolitik with clear precedent :

Kenan Malik on Israel / Hamas / PLO :
For more than thirty years,from the 1960s to the 1990s, successive Israeli governments viewed radical Islamism as a useful tool with which to counter the influence of the secular Palestine Liberation Organization (of which Yasser Arafat’s Fatah was the principal component) and to sow discord within Palestinian ranks.

THE MONSTER THAT ISRAEL HELPED CREATE

...I wouldn't even neccessarily single out Assad...the blurb fails to mention Iraq & the role of the ex-Sadam Hussein bad-guys like the late Izzat Ibrahim Al-Douri - and the rest of the old bastard's dirty orchestra that carried on playing on the sinking ship long after the Conductor had left the stage :

The hidden hand behind the Islamic State militants? Saddam Hussein’s.

...maybe because that is less about the author's idea of clinging to power & more about an operation stay-behind effort to unleash chaos on whoever the successor power was...

.....this is part of what Peter Dale Scott's thesis of Parapolitics / the Deep State is....that the author maybe missing ( I haven't yet read it ).....is that it's like the HR Giger Alien that exists with a very violent internal logic of its own....separate from and often beyond the control of the overt political level & the writ of any particular individuals and usually outlasts them ..

...the scary thought is that this ofcourse may be the fate of a Post-Assad Syria should that ever come to pass...
 
from the blurb :

They also released from prison hardline Islamists and secretly armed and funded them.


CR addressess the first part of the statement...basically agreeing with it....I don't think this necessarily disproves the second part ( with which he clearly doesn't agree ) as to whether there is any subsequent covert interaction or relationship designed to foster internecine violence amongst their opposition ....

....seems a resonable bit of realpolitik with clear precedent :

Kenan Malik on Israel / Hamas / PLO

Good example. Here is another similar one

Britain and the Muslim Brotherhood: Collaboration during the 1940s and 1950s

The Brotherhood had called for jihad against Jews in the 1936–9 Arab Revolt in Palestine, and had sent volunteers there after an appeal from the mufti; it had also been assisted by German officers in constructing its military wing. The organisation regarded the British as imperialist oppressors in Egypt, and agitated against the British military occupation of the country, especially after the Palestine rebellion. During the early years of the Second World War, British strategy towards the Brotherhood in Egypt mainly involved attempts to suppress it. Yet at this time the Brotherhood, which was allied to the political right, also enjoyed the patronage of the pro-British Egyptian monarchy, which had begun to fund the Brotherhood in 1940. King Farouk saw the Brothers as a useful counter to the power of the major political party in the country – the secular, nationalist Wafd Party – and the communists. A British intelligence report of 1942 noted that ‘the Palace had begun to find the Ikhwan useful and has thrown its aegis over them.’ During this time, many Islamic societies in Egypt were sponsored by the authorities to oppose rivals or enhance the interests of the British, the palace or other influential groups.

The first known direct contact between British officials and the Brotherhood came in 1941, at a time when British intelligence regarded the organisation’s mass following and sabotage plans against the British as ‘the most serious danger to public security’ in Egypt. That year al-Banna had been jailed by the Egyptian authorities acting under British pressure, but it was on his release later the same year that the British made contact with the Brotherhood. According to some accounts, British officials offered to aid the organisation, to ‘purchase’ its support. Theories abound as to whether al-Banna took up or rejected the offer of British support, but considering the relative quiet of the Brotherhood for some time after this period, it is possible that British aid was accepted.

By 1942 Britain had definitely begun to finance the Brotherhood. On 18 May British embassy officials held a meeting with Egyptian Prime Minister Amin Osman Pacha, in which relations with the Muslim Brotherhood were discussed and a number of points were agreed. One was that ‘subsidies from the Wafd [Party] to the Ikhwani el Muslimin [Muslim Brotherhood] would be discreetly paid by the [Egyptian] government and they would require some financial assistance in this matter from the [British] Embassy.’ In addition, the Egyptian government ‘would introduce reliable agents into the Ikhwani to keep a close watch on activities and would let us [the British embassy] have the information obtained from such agents. We, for our part, would keep the government in touch with information obtained from British sources.’
 
from the blurb :

They also released from prison hardline Islamists and secretly armed and funded them.


CR addressess the first part of the statement...basically agreeing with it....I don't think this necessarily disproves the second part ( with which he clearly doesn't agree ) as to whether there is any subsequent covert interaction or relationship designed to foster internecine violence amongst their opposition ....

....seems a resonable bit of realpolitik with clear precedent :

Kenan Malik on Israel / Hamas / PLO :


...I wouldn't even neccessarily single out Assad...the blurb fails to mention Iraq & the role of the ex-Sadam Hussein bad-guys like the late Izzat Ibrahim Al-Douri - and the rest of the old bastard's dirty orchestra that carried on playing on the sinking ship long after the Conductor had left the stage :

The hidden hand behind the Islamic State militants? Saddam Hussein’s.

...maybe because that is less about the author's idea of clinging to power & more about an operation stay-behind effort to unleash chaos on whoever the successor power was...

.....this is part of what Peter Dale Scott's thesis of Parapolitics / the Deep State is....that the author maybe missing ( I haven't yet read it ).....is that it's like the HR Giger Alien that exists with a very violent internal logic of its own....separate from and often beyond the control of the overt political level & the writ of any particular individuals and usually outlasts them ..

...the scary thought is that this ofcourse may be the fate of a Post-Assad Syria should that ever come to pass...

All very plausible as long as one shuts ones eyes and puts fingers in ones ears and avoids the massive bloody obvious elephant in the room which is Turkish and gulf state support for IS and it's ilk. And the repeated attempts to rehabilitate their Al nusra faction for western media consumption .from western institutions as diverse as The Guardian and the pentagon .
The yanks keep admitting and then forgetting they admitted that they can't find any moderates in Syria worth speaking of, yet still they armed them. As did France and others . So shills like chulov ..whose newspaper has acted as shills for al Qaeda in syria even very recently..point the finger away from those responsible and heap it on a geo political opponent fighting an actual existential threat from these madmen.
The notion of Assad believing he ever had to assist Islamists in the fight against him is utterly ludicrous . Because NATO and gulf countries were falling over themselves from day one to help them. And anyone with a titter of wit can see not only was that the case but it was a foregone conclusion from the very outset . The core of the opposition to the Ba'ath party in Syria has always been Islamist, whether the MB or the more modern manifestations. It was never going to be anyone else or any different . Those are the lines which have always existed there . Assad never put them there . And those who rushed to assist the opposition knew that too.
Their plan failed, they have egg on their faces, and rather than admit that ..yet again ..they were ....and are...up to their necks with Wahhabist, salafist , medeivalist sectarian bastards they point the finger of blame elsewhere . It's a nonsense .
 
from the blurb :

They also released from prison hardline Islamists and secretly armed and funded them.


CR addressess the first part of the statement...basically agreeing with it....I don't think this necessarily disproves the second part ( with which he clearly doesn't agree ) as to whether there is any subsequent covert interaction or relationship designed to foster internecine violence amongst their opposition ....

....seems a resonable bit of realpolitik with clear precedent :

Kenan Malik on Israel / Hamas / PLO :


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Except that's not even a good comparison. The Syrian opposition can't be compared with the PLO , who were a longstanding Palestinian national institution with well established structures . The disparate rabble who sprung up in Syria were clamouring for the attention of diverse backers with different agendas from the very outset . Qatar, a backer of the Muslim brotherhood, had its favourites . Which immediately pitted it..and by extension it's favourites..against the Saudis who oppose the Muslim brotherhood . And their favourites.Others looked to, and. Ecame wholly reliant on, the west . All of whom sought supremacy . So from day one you had division, agendas, splits and hostility...and that's only a fraction of it . And it was very apparent from day one, they were a joke .. None of that had anything to do with skulduggery from Assad . Their very nature made them fall out which each other, because they all clamoured for foreign support from diverse backers whilst striving for dominance . The very nature of who and what they were determined their actions . A treacherous, backstabbing rabble .
 
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Just from what I can make out there appears to have been 2 aerial attacks, one on a convoy and one on an Is hq were its said a number of IS big cheeses were assembled . The convoy is claimed to have been the head cheeses .
 
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