The Islamic state

[quiquaquo]

I'd prefer not to name names, but there's a distinct aura of liberal imperialism about certain posters on here.

Too right there is, that and a bunch of brainwashed ex squaddies and those who link to MoD and IDF sites. These forums can be far from what they may seem at first sight.

 

[quiquaquo]

Tell you what quiquaquo, why don't you lay your cards on the table?

What cards? That I think that an Islamic state has as much right to exist as any other? Of course I do but not in the way it is happening.

Do you suggest otherwise?

 

[Citizen66]

I can see who is the liberal here.

 

[Citizen66]

What cards? That I think that an Islamic state has as much right to exist as any other? Of course I do but not in the way it is happening.

Do you suggest otherwise?

Let's play bigotry top trumps. You've got the islamophobia card and I've got the misogyny one.

 

[chilango]

What cards? That I think that an Islamic state has as much right to exist as any other? Of course I do but not in the way it is happening.

Do you suggest otherwise?

Well, yes I do (suggest otherwise).

But my political perspective is fairly open and well known on here.

I'm more interested in your "general" perspective. The "context" to your views on IS.

 

[quiquaquo]

Don't twist my words.

I wrote an Islamic State, not IS.

What the fuck is this, an interrogation?

 

[JimW]

It's on a par with calling all criticism of Israeli policy anti-Semitic, accepting a political actor's self-identification with a wider religion.

 

[chilango]

Don't twist my words.

I wrote an Islamic State, not IS.

What the fuck is this, an interrogation?

Is it an interrogation if you can walk away without answering?

 

[DotCommunist]

What the fuck is this, an interrogation?

you called everyone on the thread a bigot out the side of your mouth so don't come all hurt when people ask you to explain yourself.

 

[frogwoman]

Who's linked to idf shit on here?

 

[frogwoman]

How should it be happening then?

 

[rekil]

And as ex military you always crop up at the right time don't you.

"That's the Jew for you!", as another poster who stinks up the place has suggested previously, and one suspects you would as well if you were less guarded and as thick as him.

 

[frogwoman]

Tbf i do agree there are a few ex military types on here which can get quite annoying but with one or two exceptions they aren't the types to deny british atrocities or go around saying everything the military do is right.

 

[LDC]

Tbf i do agree there are a few ex military types on here which can get quite annoying but with one or two exceptions they aren't the types to deny british atrocities or go around saying everything the military do is right.

TBH I quite appreciate the range of views, backgrounds, and personal experiences people posting here bring to discussions and I think it's one of things that Urban has that makes it more interesting and useful than other forums. There's plenty of places to discuss things with people that have very similar politics and backgrounds but I tend not to find them that useful or thought provoking.

 

[frogwoman]

What cards? That I think that an Islamic state has as much right to exist as any other? Of course I do but not in the way it is happening.

Do you suggest otherwise?

Yes i do tbh

Does any state have a 'right to exist'?

i don't agree, because im a communist and i don't agree with any state's 'right to exist'. They are all founded on a pile of bones tbh.

Does a religious theocracy have a 'right to exist'? Does a state that enshrines the superiority of one version of a religion as 'the right' one and sets about trying to crush anyone who says any different, have a right to exist? A state that invites 'international loons' from all corners of the world to come and displace the original inhabitants and spend the time enforcing mad bollocks (and that goes for israel too, i think there's more than enough similarities between isis's salafi colonialism and zionism)?

A state that institutes punishments for things like adultery, that are thousands of years old and involve stoning people to death and cutting off their heads? Id be interested to know why/how the formation of an islamic state should be happening, if the only problem with this is it's 'the wrong way'?

 

[Citizen66]

And besides, we've already got Saudi.

 

[teqniq]

Mad religious bollox would be fine if people that espoused it kept it to themselves. Unfortunately they seem to have a nasty habit of forcing it down other people's throats. That is a line in the sand for me.

 

[Citizen66]

That doesn't bother me. You can have some interesting conversations with theists. Its the political stuff that I take issue with. Deep rooted misogyny and homophobia.

 

[J Ed]

I'd prefer not to name names, but there's a distinct aura of liberal imperialism about certain posters on here.

I would prefer you to name names so that we can evaluate your claim.

 

[teqniq]

That doesn't bother me. You can have some interesting conversations with theists. Its the political stuff that I take issue with. Deep rooted misogyny and homophobia.

Well yes but that is kinda bundled up in the religious stuff as well, indeed it is used to some extent as a justification for some of the actions that are carried out. A useful smokescreen perhaps for the aforementioned misogyny and homophobia not forgetting slavery. Anyway I'm not too sure what quiquaquo is getting exercised about, calling us Islamophobes when in fact IS has been declared un-islamic by prominent Muslims here in the UK.

 

[J Ed]

I have no idea what politics quiquaquo espouses but he does not seem to like apostates or when people talk critically about Daesh, talking about either subject elicits completely unsubstantiated accusations of racism from him across different threads and at different times. He does not even attempt to contribute to any discussion.

 

[ViolentPanda]

And as ex military you always crop up at the right time don't you.

Yeah, I'm ex-military. So what? It doesn't make any difference to the fact that you're a gobshite who can rarely stand up any of the accusations you make, does it? You mentioning my service is purely to deflect from the fact of your gobshiteness "oh look over there folks! ex-soldier! Attack!!!"

You plum.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Does an honorouble man make claims of a group of people then refuse to say who he means? Thats getting your tar pot and brush out is it not?

Why are you default-assuming that dwyer has honour?

 

[LDC]

Why are you default-assuming that dwyer has honour?

I've just discovered the 'ignore' function. phildwyer was the first addition, and this thread is much more interesting and useful without him.

 

[Pickman's model]

Is it an interrogation if you can walk away without answering?

don't answer that quiquaquo

 

[Pickman's model]

True, at least of some of the comments made here. I never trust people who bang on about how dreadful IS are without taking into account the West's aggression against Muslim states.

yeh but this is a thread about "the islamic state" and not a thread about "the islamic state weighed against the west's aggression against muslim states".

 

[Pickman's model]

Tbf he might not have been in the UK at the time.

yeh but the uk not the only place to have marches against the war. they were all over the place.

 

[ViolentPanda]

"That's the Jew for you!", as another poster who stinks up the place has suggested previously, and one suspects you would as well if you were less guarded and as thick as him.

Must be disturbing for him, me being an ex-squaddie and a Yid. I know it upset Ern. He couldn't get his head around the idea of a Jew serving in the army of the nation-state of his birth, rather than the IDF.

 

[DotCommunist]

they were all over the place.

much like quiquio's ludicrous accusations of bigotry

 

[ViolentPanda]

Tbf i do agree there are a few ex military types on here which can get quite annoying but with one or two exceptions they aren't the types to deny british atrocities or go around saying everything the military do is right.

It'd be fucking stupid to,apart from anything else. Way too much evidence otherwise, and anyone who's served knows it, unless they're thick aggro merchants like the Paras.