The Islamic state

[quiquaquo]

Islamophobes more like.

 

[DotCommunist]

lol ok bigots then. I mean an intense interest in geopolitics can have no other explanation

 

[Citizen66]

Why are you all so obsessed with ISIS?

The subtext stinks.

Do you know the difference between white people and the BNP?

 

[quiquaquo]

Not many non white people in the BNP are there.

 

[J Ed]

Islamophobes more like.

Are you Bob Pitt?

 

[quiquaquo]

No.

Are you Bob Pitt?

 

[Citizen66]

Not many non white people in the BNP are there.

Therefore if you criticise the BNP are you also criticising white people?

 

[quiquaquo]

Are you Bob Pitt?

Just googled Bob Pitt and first result is a fascist site criticising him.

WTF is wrong with you?

( http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.ph...islamophobia-watch-s-bob-pitt-defends-himself )

 

[Citizen66]

Therefore if you criticise the BNP are you also criticising white people?

quiquaquo ?

 

[frogwoman]

http://www.brookings.edu/research/p...ers-reintegration-lister#.VdH3fEfhz_k.twitter

Posted this in another thread but its worth the read, argues for a rehabilitation type approach and is fairly scathing about punitive anti terror laws.

 

[Pickman's model]

quiquaquo ?

*taps watch*

 

[DotCommunist]

*taps watch*

*taps phone screen, accidentally opens up a porn site*

 

[frogwoman]

If you read whats posted here i and others have actually tried to post stuff about the causes of why people join isis such as assad's regime and the weakness, incompetence, utter incapability at providing any sort of defence or decent public service, and frequently murderousness of the authorities in iraq, the effect of airstrikes etc. I completely agree that a good part of isis related stuff in the media is absolute bullshit which is why ive tried to post detailed academic sources where possible and others have done the same. Theres been plenty of decent analysis of the other groups in syria as well

Where there has been islamophobic shit on this thread its been given very short shrift

 

[ViolentPanda]

Islamophobes more like.

You do love throwing the accusations about, don't you? Shame you can rarely substantiate any of them.

 

[phildwyer]

Why are you all so obsessed with ISIS?

The subtext stinks.

True, at least of some of the comments made here. I never trust people who bang on about how dreadful IS are without taking into account the West's aggression against Muslim states.

 

[Citizen66]

I never trust people who bang on about how dreadful IS are without taking into account the West's aggression against Muslim states.

Which was almost non-stop on here during the Blair years.

 

[DotCommunist]

Which was almost non-stop on here during the Blair years.

first march I ever went on (stop the war), first experience of how little they give a shit. Was phil on the streets with us I wonder.

 

[Greebo]

<snip> Was phil on the streets with us I wonder.

Tbf he might not have been in the UK at the time.

 

[Citizen66]

Tbf he might not have been in the UK at the time.

Is he ever?

 

[J Ed]

they aquiquaquo, post: 14079306, member: 61260"]Just googled Bob Pitt and first result is a fascist site criticising him.

WTF is wrong with you?

( http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.ph...islamophobia-watch-s-bob-pitt-defends-himself )

Were you always this thick or did you have to work at it?

 

[J Ed]

True, at least of some of the comments made here. I never trust people who bang on about how dreadful IS are without taking into account the West's aggression against Muslim states.

Who are you talking about exactly?

 

[frogwoman]

This is seriously fucked up if true.

Yazidi Leaders Want Proof ‘Jewish Schindler’ Saved 128 Women and Children From the Islamic State http://ift.tt/1NV6oQs

A group of Yazidi spiritual and political leaders, activists, and aid workers are demanding an inquiry into the work of a Montreal man who claims to have rescued 128 Yazidi and Christian women and children enslaved by Islamic State militants.

Steve Maman has attracted international attention for his Canadian charity, The Liberation of Christian and Yazidi Children of Iraq (CYCI), which on its website claims to have "single handedly helped save over 120 Yazidi and Christian women and children from ISIS [Islamic State, or IS] controlled territories in Iraq" through a network of volunteers. Headlines affectionately dubbed the Moroccan-born Jew and luxury car and crystal dealer the "Jewish Schindler."

As of Tuesday, a GoFundMe page he set up in early July had swelled to more than $580,000 from donors around the world.

But now, concerned members of the Yazidi community in Iraq and the United States — including their top spiritual leader Baba Sheikh — have issued a written statement calling on Maman to cease taking donations until he proves that he's doing the work he says he's doing.

The letter, entitled Public Inquiry: Yazidis Call Upon Mr. Steve Maman to Validate his Claims of Rescue with Evidence, has received 20 signatures and was released exclusively to VICE News. It outlines their concerns, ranging from disbelief at the number of women Maman claims to have saved to his alleged bartering with IS to pay for their freedom.

"Several weeks ago, when his website claimed to have raised $80,000, the number of rescued 'women and children' listed on the website was 102. The high number of rescues for such a low monetary figure seemed a dubious claim," says the letter, signed by prominent figures such as Baba Sheikh and Vian Dakhil, the only woman Yazidi member of the Iraqi Parliament.

"CYCI/Liberation Iraq project has brought a high level of visibility to a delicate and sensitive rescue effort that should have been kept low-profile. We are concerned that this may be reckless," the letter adds.

It calls on Maman's team to provide "evidence regarding their alleged rescue activities, including the contact information of the families/individuals he claims to have rescued, to the appropriate authorities: members of the Yazidi Supreme Religious Council and the key Yazidi representatives in the Kurdish or Iraqi Parliaments."

When VICE News raised the group's concerns about Maman's work with him, he spoke of rampant corruption in Kurdistan and accused naysayers of having ulterior motives and trying to drive him out for their own gain.

[...]

The letter from the Yazidi group also raises concerns about the possibility that the money raised by Maman might indirectly end up in the hands of IS fighters.

"Steve Maman has implied or revealed in his interviews and in a video that he posted online that he has direct negotiations with IS. We are concerned that he might be engaging in an enterprise that has the net effect of providing funding to jihadists, without any oversight," the letter said.

How much of a scumbag would you have to be to do this? Assuming the allegations are true obviously.

 

[phildwyer]

Who are you talking about exactly?

I'd prefer not to name names, but there's a distinct aura of liberal imperialism about certain posters on here.

 

[phildwyer]

Is he ever?

Yes, often. But not then.

 

[DotCommunist]

I'd prefer not to name names

Does an honorouble man make claims of a group of people then refuse to say who he means? Thats getting your tar pot and brush out is it not?

 

[DotCommunist]

was trying to work in a cake-and-eat-it thing as well but it all fell apart because nobody eats cake covered in tar unless they are unwell in the head.

 

[agricola]

How much of a scumbag would you have to be to do this? Assuming the allegations are true obviously.

TBH it is hard to see how they are not true; there are all manner of reasons why someone who was actually doing that wouldn't blab about it to the worlds media (not the least of which is making it easy for IS to check how much money they have actually raised).

 

[LDC]

Why are you all so obsessed with ISIS?

The subtext stinks.

Assuming people are 'obsessed' from one discussion on one forum when I suspect it constitutes a tiny tiny fraction of the political activity (let alone everything they do) for probably everyone on here is a bit odd, and says more about you than it does us IMO.

Personally... I'm interested as I've visited the region, have friends that live there and also some who are from Kurdistan who now live in the UK, and think it's a massive geo-political current that's affecting that region but also politics and people around the world - especially when you consider related groups and areas.

Oh, and connected to the events are a significant number of people engaged in fighting IS who declare themselves to have politics that are similar to mine.

Is that enough for you?

Dickhead.

 

[chilango]

Tell you what quiquaquo, why don't you lay your cards on the table?

 

[quiquaquo]

You do love throwing the accusations about, don't you? Shame you can rarely substantiate any of them.

And as ex military you always crop up at the right time don't you.