The Islamic state

[phildwyer]

yes. but to repeat myself you've made an assertion which you have failed to substantiate.

Do you really want me to substantiate it?

 

[Pickman's model]

Do you really want me to substantiate it?

you've been asked three times already. there has been no substantiation. why not withdraw gracefully now?

 

[phildwyer]

you've been asked three times already. there has been no substantiation. why not withdraw gracefully now?

Anyone can substantiate it by reading your posts in this and other threads. You may consider yourself an anarchist, but the evidence shows that you are an imperialist. A pretty damned weird imperialist admittedly.

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyone can substantiate it by reading your posts in this and other threads. You may consider yourself an anarchist, but the evidence shows that you are an imperialist. A pretty damned weird imperialist admittedly.

if 'anyone can substantiate it' why can't you? is it because you're a useless cunt? i think it is. and it's not like this is the only thing you've failed to substantiate. who can forget your abysmal effort on the god botherer thread yesterday?

 

[phildwyer]

if 'anyone can substantiate it' why can't you? is it because you're a useless cunt?

Your furious reaction eliminates any remaining doubt that what I say is true. And I'm not the only one to have said it. I suggest that you re-evaluate your attitude and reform your conduct.

 

[frogwoman]

Fucks sake

 

[phildwyer]

I would prefer you to name names so that we can evaluate your claim.

Now do you understand why I was reluctant to name Pickman's? His self-righteous and guilty rage has predictably derailed the thread. Be careful what you wish for eh?

 

[Pickman's model]

Your furious reaction eliminates any remaining doubt that what I say is true. And I'm not the only one to have said it. I suggest that you re-evaluate your attitude and reform your conduct.

the thing is that when you repeatedly insist on lying about other people, and you've an unenviable record of repeatedly lying about other people, you shouldn't be surprised when they turn round and call you a useless cunt.

 

[phildwyer]

the thing is that when you repeatedly insist on lying about other people, and you've an unenviable record of repeatedly lying about other people, you shouldn't be surprised when they turn round and call you a useless cunt.

Be quiet Pickman's. Everyone understands that you're upset, there's no need to bang on about it endlessly.

Shall we move on?

 

[Pickman's model]

Now do you understand why I was reluctant to name Pickman's? His self-righteous and guilty rage has predictably derailed the thread. Be careful what you wish for eh?

there would have been no rage, self-righteous or otherwise, if you hadn't had the gall to start telling lies about me. again.

 

[phildwyer]

there would have been no rage, self-righteous or otherwise, if you hadn't had the gall to start telling lies about me. again.

Seriously, just shut up. You've made your anger all-too clear. Let people judge your conduct and your record for themselves now.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh shit. You just wouldn't let it lie, would you? Sorry Spiney, but I did try.

"I rounded off a perfect day by spending the evening at the Class War bonfire in London Fields, watching figures as diverse as the Mayor of Hackney to the Prophet Mohammed being thrown on the fire. There is something about being next to a natural fire that is soothing, in a way that other forms of heat are not. I could have stood there all night."

http://paulstott.typepad.com/i_intend_to_escape_and_co/hackney_life_/page/3/

So you didn't attend this event, did you, Pickman's?

do you remember this, phil? and do you remember what a moderator said to you later that same day? what pisses me off is that it's not like you've a leg to stand on with this cw bit or with this liberal imperialist bit, and then when you piss someone off you pretend you're above it all, that you're some impartial observer. but you're not.

 

[phildwyer]

do you remember this, phil? and do you remember what a moderator said to you later that same day?

He's just not going to let it lie is he?

I'll try one more time. Pickman's: shut up. This is a thread about the Islamic State. Nobody cares about your mad witterings.

 

[Pickman's model]

He's just not going to let it lie is he?

I'll try one more time. Pickman's: shut up. This is a thread about the Islamic State. Nobody cares about your mad witterings.

yes. this is a thread about the islamic state: but you've tried twice to make it about me. both times you've been shown up as the lying cunt you are. shall we continue or do you wish to shut up about it after apologising to everyone for pissing all over the thread?

 

[Pickman's model]

returning to topic...


Islamic State has seized new territory from Syrian rebels in northern Syria, advancing in an area where Turkey and the United States are planning to open a new front against the group in coordination with insurgents on the ground.

The ultra-radical Islamist group and a monitor said it had seized several villages as it stepped up an offensive in northern Aleppo province, in a blow to rebels who are likely partners for Ankara and Washington in any ground campaign.

In an attack that began on Wednesday night, Islamic State had also mostly encircled the rebel-held town of Marea, some 20 km (12 miles) from the border, the group and a rebel commander in the area said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/27/us-mideast-crisis-syria-north-idUSKCN0QW0P220150827

 

[frogwoman]

http://jihadology.net/2015/08/27/th...ysis-of-the-islamic-states-health-department/

The Islamic State’s [IS] health department (Diwan al-Siha) is probably most familiar to UK readers, who will recognize the ‘ISHS’ (Islamic State Health Service) branding as a spin-off of the ‘NHS’ (National Health Service). The ISHS was promoted in an official Raqqa province video featuring two muhajireen medical personnel, the first of whom (originally from Australia) urges Muslim medical personnel from around the world to join IS, saying: “Muslims here are really suffering from not necessarily a lack of equipment or medicine but mainly a lack of qualified medical care.” Though the video acknowledges lack of personnel, documents not officially released by IS also show that shortages of medical supplies are a significant problem. Of all departments, the IS Diwan al-Siha is arguably the least impressive, afflicted as it is by brain drain, deficiencies in supplies and lack of innovation despite the influx of muhajireen.

Lack of innovation is a matter I have touched upon before, illustrating as a case-in-point that vaccination schedules in Syria are no different from the prior status quo. In Mosul, one will find that the department of forensic medicine, which issued death certificates in the days of government control, still exists, only now it seems to be issuing death certificates under IS rule, most likely in particular in the name of its judiciary department known as the Diwan al-Qada (wa al-Mazalim). Salaries of health workers in Ninawa also continue to be paid by the Iraqi central government. This above all represents parasitic co-optation.

On a more general level, some IS fatwas issued by the Diwan al-Eftaa’ wa al-Buhuth but not released in IS media outlets point to a shortage of female doctors. For example, fatwa no. 43 posits the following question: “What is the ruling on the presence of male doctors for women’s illnesses given that there are female doctors specialising in women’s illnesses but are few in number?” The response stipulates that the “principle is that the women should go to a female doctor to treat her and she should make an effort to look for that,” only resorting to a male doctor by necessity. In this case, part of the problem here is IS’ dogmatic insistence on preventing what it sees as sinful gender mixing in public.

 

[frogwoman]

Problems in equipment and medical provisions foremost come to light in documents showing the Diwan al-Siha’s attempts to introduce price controls on pharmaceutical goods and operations. For instance, in October 2014, price limits were introduced for childbirth operations in Deir az-Zor province, fixed at 15,000 Syrian pounds for Caesarean operations and 10,500 Syrian pounds for normal operations, with the child to be kept in hospital for 12 hours after birth. These regulations were introduced, according to the statement, on account of exploitation and to assist the poor.

In the same month, the Diwan al-Siha in the Mosul area instated regulations on profits pharmacies could make in selling goods, in light of increases in prices for drugs to treat chronic illnesses. The following month, controls on profits of pharmacies in Deir az-Zor province were imposed so as not to exceed 20%. Quality and central control also seems to be an issue as IS has sought to require pharmacies to obtain licenses to operate, stipulating further that medicines must not be exposed to sunlight and the requirement of a fridge to store certain medicines.

As with the issue of medical personnel, part of the problem here appears to be IS’ own making. In May 2015, a ban was imposed on importing medical goods of Iranian origin on the grounds that they could not be trusted. Leaving aside the self-evident reasoning entailed by IS’ anti-Shi’ism and opposition to Iran, there seems to be a broader ideological end-goal of self-sufficiency: thus, in October 2014, IS’ General Supervisory Committee announced the opening of a factory to make synthetic body parts in Ninawa and thus no one should be sent to Turkey to have such treatment.

 

[frogwoman]

In an attack that began on Wednesday night, Islamic State had also mostly encircled the rebel-held town of Marea, some 20 km (12 miles) from the border, the group and a rebel commander in the area said.

 

[phildwyer]

yes. this is a thread about the islamic state: but you've tried twice to make it about me. both times you've been shown up as the lying cunt you are. shall we continue or do you wish to shut up about it after apologising to everyone for pissing all over the thread?

You haven't made a single reference to British imperialism in this entire thread. Your contributions focus entirely on the perfidy of Muslims. That speaks for itself.

 

[elbows]

Fuck off Dwyer, insincere derailer.

 

[phildwyer]

Fuck off Dwyer, insincere derailer.

I would prefer you to name names so that we can evaluate your claim.

Not me guv.

 

[Pickman's model]

You haven't made a single reference to British imperialism in this entire thread. Your contributions focus entirely on the perfidy of Muslims. That speaks for itself.

yes. i would ask you to substantiate this but we all know you don't do proving your assertions. so why don't you stfu and let people who give a shit about the situation in the m.e. continue the thread?

 

[phildwyer]

yes. i would ask you to substantiate this but we all know you don't do proving your assertions. so why don't you stfu and let people who give a shit about the situation in the m.e. continue the thread?

You've been told to leave this alone many times now. I will if you will. Will you?

 

[Pickman's model]

You've been told to leave this alone many times now. I will if you will. Will you?

you mean YOU'VE told me not to respond to YOUR assertions that i'm a liberal imperialist and liar. so i think it would be better if you just shut up without making conditions.

 

[phildwyer]

you mean YOU'VE told me not to respond to YOUR assertions that i'm a liberal imperialist and liar.

That's right. You've "responded" many times now, and only succeeded in digging yourself in deeper. Now you should stop responding.

 

[frogwoman]

https://medium.com/@AmirAhmadNasr/i...ieval-mindset-that-birthed-it-is-4888330dabac

“ISIS is the offspring of more than one father, and the product of more than one longstanding and widespread sickness.”

1. “ISIS is first the child of despotism in the most heinous form that has plagued the region.”2. “ISIS is second the progeny of the American invasion of Iraq in 2003, both the way in which it was initially conducted and the catastrophic mismanagement that followed.”3. “ISIS is third the son of Iranian aggressive regional policies that have worsened in recent years.”4. “ISIS is fourth the child of some of the Salafist networks in the Gulf (in Saudi Arabia and other states).”5. “ISIS is fifth the offspring of a profound crisis, deeply rooted in the thinking of some Islamist groups seeking to escape from their terrible failure to confront the challenges of the present toward a delusional model ostensibly taken from the seventh century, believing that they have found within its imaginary folds the answer to all contemporary or future questions.” <- Read this one again.6. “ISIS is sixth the progeny of violence or of an environment that has been subjected to striking brutality.”

Also read this excellent piece:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ate-is-no-mystery/?postshare=3871440684738089

the Islamic State’s violence toward its Sunni constituency has been highly selective, in stark contrast to its treatment of Shiite, Alawite, Yazidi, Kurdish and Christian communities. For example, in the lead-up to its takeover of Mosul, the Islamic State systematically targeted Sunni journalists, government representatives and security personnel, forcing them to leave the city or cooperate with the group. However, when in control, the organization has carefully refrained from indiscriminate and arbitrary violence against its popular base to avoid alienating it, instructing its members to be moderate with the Sunni population. To be sure, the stern punishments inflicted by the Islamic State for minor deviations from pious behavior—such as smoking—are not popular, but the population has come to appreciate the predictability of the Islamic State’s rule. As Abdel Bari Atwan notes in his book, “Islamic State: The Digital Caliphate,” sharia courts set up by the Islamic State are generally viewed as impartial and have been able to quickly resolve religious and civil cases.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's right. You've "responded" many times now, and only succeeded in digging yourself in deeper. Now you should stop responding.

the only digging done's been done by you. you started by claiming i was a liberal imperialist. then you said that because i was not happy with this this proved your point: thus really proving the insubstantiality of your point. then you said anyone could substantiate your claim but made a liar of yourself when you showed yourself unable to. then you resorted to huffing and puffing about how i should take your insults. i don't think that's really very fair. but you don't give a fuck about the kurds or arabs or syrians or what not or you wouldn't keep pissing on the thread. why don't you find something better to do?

 

[phildwyer]

the only digging done's been done by you. you started by claiming i was a liberal imperialist. then you said that because i was not happy with this this proved your point: thus really proving the insubstantiality of your point. then you said anyone could substantiate your claim but made a liar of yourself when you showed yourself unable to. then you resorted to huffing and puffing about how i should take your insults. i don't think that's really very fair. but you don't give a fuck about the kurds or arabs or syrians or what not or you wouldn't keep pissing on the thread. why don't you find something better to do?

None of your posts on this thread have even mentioned the West's role in creating Islamic State. Instead you just go on and on about how evil IS are. That shows very clearly what your true politics are, even if you pretend otherwise--even to yourself.

 

[Pickman's model]

None of your posts on this thread have even mentioned the West's role in creating Islamic State. Instead you just go on and on about how evil IS are. That shows very clearly what your true politics are, even if you pretend otherwise--even to yourself.

after your repeated lies about me on this thread i am sure you will understand me when i say i don't give a shit about your opinion as you have gone out of your way to make it worthless.

 

[phildwyer]

after your repeated lies about me on this thread i am sure you will understand me when i say i don't give a shit about your opinion as you have gone out of your way to make it worthless.

You asked me to name names: I named them. Not my fault if you don't like the consequences.