The Islamic state

[frogwoman]

Access to markets.

'Rightly guided leader of the faithful Caliph Ibrahim al-Baghdadi has today signed a $2 billion contract with Serco to take over the administration of Shariah courts across the Caliphate. This follows a deal with G4S to run Raqqa and Palymrya prisons.'

Er yeah i don't really see how 'good governance' would fit into that, by any commonly used definition of 'good'

 

[butchersapron]

In modern political theory governance and government are different things. Governance is the establishing of a rules based model with a set of rules that various governments then follow - it's the framework of what the various governments can do. The various treaties and conventions with a set of outcomes or aims written into them in the EE (disguised as neutral technical objectives) establish governance, but not government. So, in this article when William McCants is quoted as saying that

“You’d like to say that treating people well and good governance go hand in hand,” he said, “but it’s not the case.”

he's using this concept - he's just saying arseholes can set up the framework and tools of governance whilst still remaining arseholes. We've just seen great examples of this happening in Greece. There really is nothing outrageous in the quote itself - it can be challenged on empirical grounds by establishing that ISIS don't actually set up a governance framework or, more theoretically, by highlighting that their own legimating ideology undermines governance. But he not saying, yeah this is people we can do business with.

 

[teqniq]

Garden of Eden dries as ISIS, Turkey and Iraq fight over water

 

[frogwoman]

In modern political theory governance and government are different things. Governance is the establishing of a rules based model with a set of rules that various governments then follow - it's the framework of what the various governments can do. The various treaties and conventions with a set of outcomes or aims written into them in the EE (disguised as neutral technical objectives) establish governance, but not government. So, in this article when William McCants is quoted as saying that



he's using this concept - he's just saying arseholes can set up the framework and tools of governance whilst still remaining arseholes. We've just seen great examples of this happening in Greece. There really is nothing outrageous in the quote itself - it can be challenged on empirical grounds by establishing that ISIS don't actually set up a governance framework or, more theoretically, by highlighting that their own legimating ideology undermines governance. But he not saying, yeah this is people we can do business with.

Yeah, it wasnt just that though, it was the stuff about how IS might become a state with passports and everything and 'positive law', and the idea that this could make it more 'moderate'. Or that this was just a 'possibility' that cant be ruled out. I did wonder whether that sentence was part of a longer quote that wasnt included in the article.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

"islamic sectarianism has known no bounds in history"

Sorry, that comment was a bit tongue in cheek.

But it still stands. I wasn't referring to state formations so much as a suprastate reality, as identified in the guy's comment I quoted. Oh whatever, God's justice is being served. Nevermind that the people are being attacked are muslims. Just muslims you don't like. Until the whip turns onto you, of course. despicable. Islamophobes don't need to do any work when we've got the middle-classes lining up with IS and perpetuating anti-islamic and racist sentiment.

 

[agricola]

'Rightly guided leader of the faithful Caliph Ibrahim al-Baghdadi has today signed a $2 billion contract with Serco to take over the administration of Shariah courts across the Caliphate. This follows a deal with G4S to run Raqqa and Palymrya prisons.'

Er yeah i don't really see how 'good governance' would fit into that, by any commonly used definition of 'good'

"Caliph demands a further 20% cut" certainly takes on a worse meaning over there.

 

[frogwoman]

"Caliph demands a further 20% cut" certainly takes on a worse meaning over there.

'ATOS to start assessments of whether people have committed adultery or eaten on Ramadan'

 

[Pickman's model]

'ATOS to start assessments of whether people have committed adultery or eaten on Ramadan'

anbar province has been sanctioned

 

[frogwoman]

anbar province has been sanctioned

on the positive side they would save a lot of taxpayers' money on appeals

 

[teqniq]

Kurdish Militants Say Killed Turkish Police Officers in Revenge for Suicide Bombing

Kurdish militants claimed responsibility for Wednesday's killing of two police officers in southeast Turkey, saying it was retaliation for a suicide bombing blamed on Islamic State which killed 32 people.

The Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) said in a statement on one of its websites that the two police officers were killed at around 6 a.m. (0400 London time) in the town of Ceylanpinar for "collaboration with the Daesh (Islamic State) gangs".

 

[teqniq]

This town has resisted Islamic State for 18 months. But food is running low.

 

[bendeus]

Another Brit jihadi killed - one of the medical students this time.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/22/osman-mustafa-fagiri-isis-jihadi-killed-syria-reports

 

[frogwoman]

Another Brit jihadi killed - one of the medical students this time.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/22/osman-mustafa-fagiri-isis-jihadi-killed-syria-reports

What a shame.

 

[frogwoman]

This town has resisted Islamic State for 18 months. But food is running low.

 

[frogwoman]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...h-man-believed-to-be-isis-khartoum-connection

What a fucking cunt.

Throughout the post, Fakhri attempts to dismiss the barbaric behaviour of Isis as a result of western propaganda. “And so I think for the sake of respecting mankind’s intelligence, I will not dwell into refuting childish claims that: ‘We chop off fingers of the smoker’ or ‘kill little children’.”

Fakhri adds: “The battle between the Islamic state and the crusader coalition of Kuffr headed by the US, is not an issue of execution techniques or the acts of certain individuals. Rather this is a battle of Aqeedah (Creed) in which one group calls for the Divine system of the Sharia to be implemented.”

 

[kebabking]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...h-man-believed-to-be-isis-khartoum-connection

What a fucking cunt.

i think i read that last phrase from some IS jihadi talking about JAN. might have been the same bloke, but its an interesting turn of phrase, perhaps a 'stock phrase' that's been learnt?

anyway, for those interested, the RAF's soon-to-arrive, 2nd RC-135W will be off to Syria/Iraq within weeks of it arriving in the UK, supplementing the first. rape tourists making phone calls and facebook updates is about to get more dangerous...

 

[frogwoman]

i think i read that last phrase from some IS jihadi talking about JAN. might have been the same bloke, but its an interesting turn of phrase, perhaps a 'stock phrase' that's been learnt?

anyway, for those interested, the RAF's soon-to-arrive, 2nd RC-135W will be off to Syria/Iraq within weeks of it arriving in the UK, supplementing the first. rape tourists making phone calls and facebook updates is about to get more dangerous...

I think it is a stock phrase as loads of them seem to say it.

 

[frogwoman]

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[UnderOpenSky]

i think i read that last phrase from some IS jihadi talking about JAN. might have been the same bloke, but its an interesting turn of phrase, perhaps a 'stock phrase' that's been learnt?

anyway, for those interested, the RAF's soon-to-arrive, 2nd RC-135W will be off to Syria/Iraq within weeks of it arriving in the UK, supplementing the first. rape tourists making phone calls and facebook updates is about to get more dangerous...

Drone strike straight to the mobile? I wonder if the RAF have an app for that.

 

[agricola]

I think it is a stock phrase as loads of them seem to say it.

Indeed, if they didnt say that then they would have to acknowledge that basically they have spent the last few years murdering, robbing, enslaving etc etc.

 

[frogwoman]

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[teqniq]

*shudders*

 

[frogwoman]

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[teqniq]

The 20-year-old activist who died trying to help rebuild a city

Before she was killed by a suicide bomber, before her Instagram photos were shared and liked by thousands, Hatice Ezgi Sadet was a 20-year-old art history student from Turkey looking forward to going on an archeological excavation trip and using her newly obtained driver’s license. Sadet postponed her trip though; she had more urgent plans. She was part of a group of students and activists going to volunteer to help rebuild the Syrian Kurdish city of Kobane, destroyed during fighting between Kurdish and ISIS forces last year. She took a selfie with a group of young men and women in a bus, smiling wide, with the caption “heading to revolution.” She had begun to document the journey under her Instagram handle, Umutlugil, or the hopeful family. She told friends she’d be back in a few days....

RIP

 

[bendeus]

Let's hope that at some point in the future the action that precedes his command or prohibition takes the form of the hacking off of his cock with a rusty trowel.

 

[frogwoman]

Yep. Hes a vile cunt. He seems to have a real obsession with control as well.

 

[Nylock]

They can't not be Muslim, haven't you heard of apostapy. <this you fucking tool..
They stay muslim so they don't face the wrath of their own, never mind IS.
If these so called non practitioners are so concerned they would renounce Islam, but they do not.

The Islamic State: The clue is in the name............ no religion, no state.

You lot carry on with fookin nuance, bullshoot.
If you defend Muslims, then you defend Islam. Religion is the PROBLEM.

Oh great one Butchers, if you can be deciphered it would be great, but mostly you can't, I'll just leave it there with you, oh great one.

Dot, explain to me how the Holy See and Catholics, Islam and Muslim are not intertwined. Watch out for excommunication and other minor nuance like apostapy.(tut)

Total Wibble.

..and it's spelled 'Apostasy' you tool.

 

[Casually Red]

Reading reports there tonight that the " good al Qaeda" al nusra are also in the business of forced marriages . Forcing women in the territory they've overrun to marry the foreign jihadis . According to that report they've shot 2 women and stoned another 2 to death in idlib for " adultery" .
Rape or death basically . And it's NATO countries and their partners supplying the weapons that made those idlib atrocities possible .

http://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...yrias-moderates-this-is-not-what-we-expected?

 

[gimesumtruf]

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gimesumtruf said: ↑
They can't not be Muslim, haven't you heard of apostapy. <this you fucking tool..
They stay muslim so they don't face the wrath of their own, never mind IS.
If these so called non practitioners are so concerned they would renounce Islam, but they do not.
The Islamic State: The clue is in the name............ no religion, no state.
You lot carry on with fookin nuance, bullshoot.
If you defend Muslims, then you defend Islam. Religion is the PROBLEM.
Oh great one Butchers, if you can be deciphered it would be great, but mostly you can't, I'll just leave it there with you, oh great one.
Dot, explain to me how the Holy See and Catholics, Islam and Muslim are not intertwined. Watch out for excommunication and other minor nuance like apostapy.(tut)
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Total Wibble.
..and it's spelled 'Apostasy' you tool.


I may be wrong, probably am but I have more to say than picking out spelling mistakes.
Make your argument or shut up.

 

[phildwyer]

anyway, for those interested, the RAF's soon-to-arrive, 2nd RC-135W will be off to Syria/Iraq within weeks of it arriving in the UK, supplementing the first. rape tourists making phone calls and facebook updates is about to get more dangerous...

Thus giving ISIS exactly what they've been asking for, which is just about the stupidest move made by any geo-political actor since Munich, 1938.