The Islamic state

[butchersapron]

Fair few shia jihadis fighting for assad as well.

Yes, that's what i meant - he's using a shia fanatic in both syria and iraq (who invents stories and openly lies) to attack religious fanaticism and he does it in the name of secularism. This sort of stuff must rank up there with his use of the Ukrainian version of viz as a source on the Ukraine thread.

 

[Casually Red]

To be fair to the man even many Christians would consider there's a considerable difference between an idol and a church. Did he smash up the church too?

Well I'd consider it unlikely he'd just bought the statue from the local Lidl . Its either looted from a church or a christian home . Which is worse you reckon ?
That took place in yakubiyah , in idlib . A predominantly Armenian Christian town ....well it used to be .
Furthermore regardless of what various Christian groups might think of " idolatry " they tend not to go around looting and smashing each others stuff at gunpoint unless they're fundamentalist bigoted assholes . The FSA clerics name is Omar Garba , he's a wahhabist ...as he made clear in his BBC interview . In case you didn't notice from the interview given to BBC Arabic he's most definitely a member of the FSA as you can see from his uniform .

The FSAs attitude to both churches and Al Qaeda was made pretty clear when they attacked Malooula , twice , both times in the company of Al Qaeda . Where the ancient Aramaic Christian site was completely wrecked by their vandalism , civilians murdered and nuns kidnapped . Christian relics dating back over 1000 years were looted and destroyed . By moderates like Omar there .

 

[butchersapron]

Is that right. Syrian christians don't seem to think so oddly enough:

entered Ma’loula while the al-Nusra Front retreated back. After the first day of battle, the FSA fighters ensured that there were no Assad Military fighters left in the town. Then the FSA fighters left the town of Ma’loula and retreated to the area of the checkpoint at the outskirts of the town. According to an al-Jadid TV interview conducted with the Head Nun of the Mar Taqla Monastery, Sister Bilajia Siaf, the FSA fighters did not attack any of the Christian Monasteries nor did they harm any Christians or civilians in Ma’loula.

While the FSA fighters were retreating from the town, the regime’s artillery began to target the FSA fighters in Ma’loula, indifferent to the holy sites within the town. This was evident in the Russia Today video news feed, which showed the regime’s artillery shelling the town. On Saturday, 07-September-2013, the regime launched a massive military campaign on the town, which led to re-escalating the fighting between the regime and the FSA.

In another interview with Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch, His Holiness John X Yazigi of Antioch, he made it clear that the FSA fighters did not harm any Churches or Christians in Ma’loula during the recent battles.

..

We, in Syrian Christians for Peace, hold the Assad regime fully responsible for what occurred in Ma’loula and all the Syrian cities and towns. Cultural heritage sites such as Ma’loula need to be protected and must not be used by the regime’s army as a military base to attack the neighboring areas and killing innocent civilians.

This is the person/network behind that group.

With his staunch refusal to play the political game, Ayman Abdulnour is one of the more credible voices in the Syrian opposition.

A close university friend of Bashar al-Assad, Ayman Abdulnour served as an adviser to al-Assad during the years he was being groomed for the Syrian presidency following the unexpected death of his brother in 1994. Al-Assad “really wanted to make reforms. We believed in that,” Abdulnour told Al Monitor last year.

Soon after Bashar al-Assad assumed the presidency in 2000 following the death of his father Hafez, Abdulnour saw the reforms to modernize Syria he had discussed with al-Assad sidelined, as policies were enacted to enrich the new president’s inlaws, cousins and cronies.

 

[Casually Red]

Here's the link to that video I was on about earlier , the joint FSA and Daesh assault on Menagh airbase and their little victory celebration afterwards . Not their first collaboration by any means as the FSA leader admits in his speech ..khan al assal ...we're the rebels used chemical weapons...and a few other spots . The FSA colonel, Abdel Al Okaidi , was a major recipient of western arms and finance at the time .

You'll note the repeated soft soaping the FSA spokesperson is engaging in on daeshs behalf when interviewed on the media . Despite him being physically present when the IS commander .Abu Jandal...is running around screaming with his big knife and yelling into the camera about what he'll do to Syrias minorities when he gets them . Those were the days...before their little tiff . One wonders how much western aid and finance was shared with Daesh back then in those Halcyon days of FSA comradeship and co operation . Was so good most of the FSA defected to them not long after...or to the other AQ faction .

 

[gimesumtruf]

xenon:_
Fuck off you simpleton. hint: 2 millionUK muslims don't want to kill you or me for a start.

They wouldn't do a damn thing to help you, just like the Rushdie fatwa, they would sit back and be dumber than you are.
Go ask them if a fatwa is justifiable. Ask them to say they no longer believe their religion, they will not, if some do they are in the minority of that 2 million.

 

[butchersapron]

I was just waiting for that next vid - just been posted on the other pro-religious nutter site that his al masdar blog chum rums - electronic resistance. That's his entire source base.

 

[butchersapron]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ours-reliance-on-union-cash-is-unhealthy.html
They wouldn't do a damn thing to help you, just like the Rushdie fatwa, they would sit back and be dumber than you are.
Go ask them if a fatwa is justifiable. Ask them to say they no longer believe their religion, they will not, if some do they are in the minority of that 2 million.

Nice one:
Liz Kendall: Labour's reliance on union cash is unhealthy
Source close to Labour leadership candidate says trade unions must reform or face irrelevance ahead of hustings at GMB's annual conference

 

[Casually Red]

So...no thoughts on the FSA IS collaboration then . Probably a Putin photoshop...we'll move on and pretend it never happened .

 

[Casually Red]

FSA just larking about , having " a larf " ....the local Christians saw the funny side of it I'm sure . It's not like taking those robes from a church is a desecration or anything . Happily loaned to the FSA I'm quite sure .

And these 16 nuns apparently weren't dragged from their convent and kidnapped during the FSA / Al Qaeda assault on Maloula .. Merely taken somewhere safe , for their own safety .



And check out this old christian guy , in his 80s , who after a lifetime of Christianity suddenly converts to Islam . Shortly after the FSA kidnap him . See the tears of happiness stream down his 80 year old face as he suddenly sees the light and wonder of Allah . At the point of an FSA gun . Changes his name and all, after 80 years or so being known as somebody else .My god he's so happy ...the relief on his face as he repents and tells the world how well he is treated . Tears of joy , without a doubt . Well done FSA . He just needed that little nudge to find his true self . After living a lie for 80 years .

 

[Geri]

FHM article about Kosta Scurfield:

Death Of A British Soldier: Why Did This Marine Give His Life To Fight Isis?

 

[phildwyer]

FHM article about Kosta Scurfield:

Death Of A British Soldier: Why Did This Marine Give His Life To Fight Isis?

A textbook case of a psychopath.

 

[Pickman's model]

A textbook case of a psychopath.

i thought the history of usury more your forte than abnormal psychology

 

[phildwyer]

i thought the history of usury more your forte than abnormal psychology

A textbook case of a psychopath.

 

[frogwoman]

A textbook case of a psychopath.

?? Why?

 

[frogwoman]

I probably wouldn't agree with a lot of his politics but he doesn't sound like a psychopath to me. He sincerely believed in what he was doing.

 

[phildwyer]

?? Why?

Fighting with relish and as a volunteer for a terrorist organization in a war that was none of his business.

 

[phildwyer]

He sincerely believed in what he was doing.

So did Hitler.

 

[frogwoman]

I don't think Hitler was a psychopath tbh. Not everyone evil is.

 

[frogwoman]

Fighting with relish and as a volunteer for a terrorist organization in a war that was none of his business.

He criticised people who were too gung ho and bloodthirsty. Doesnt that describe most armies btw, terrorist organisations in wars that are none of their business? At least he was actually killing ISIS fighters and learning about the situation rather than dropping bombs from 50, 000 feet.

 

[NoXion]

Fighting with relish and as a volunteer for a terrorist organization in a war that was none of his business.

"Your terrorists are our freedom fighters"

 

[phildwyer]

He criticised people who were too gung ho and bloodthirsty.

So did Hitler.

Doesnt that describe most armies btw?

Yes. But most normal people don't volunteer to fight in wars that are none of their business. Those who do can expect to be judged by the kind of army for which they volunteer. This guy volunteered to fight for an army that commits terrorist acts against civilians and uses child soldiers, among other atrocities. He really, really enjoyed fighting in wars. That makes him a psychopath in my book.

 

[frogwoman]

I dont think that everyone who supports ISIS is a psychopath either. One thing ive learned from all the stuff ive read is that there are a lot who sincerely believe they're doing the right thing and that ISIS's system of government would ultimately benefit humanity.

 

[frogwoman]

So did Hitler.



Yes. But most normal people don't volunteer to fight in wars that are none of their business. Those who do can expect to be judged by the kind of army for which they volunteer. This guy volunteered to fight for an army that commits terrorist acts against civilians and uses child soldiers, among other atrocities. He really, really enjoyed fighting in wars. That makes him a psychopath in my book.

At least he was actually fighting on the ground rather than pressing a button from a control room for a drone strike and killing a bunch of innocent people by mistake.

 

[phildwyer]

I dont think that everyone who supports ISIS is a psychopath either. One thing ive learned from all the stuff ive read is that there are a lot who sincerely believe they're doing the right thing and that ISIS's system of government would ultimately benefit humanity.

They're still psychopaths though.

War is a very horrible business indeed. It's not to be taken lightly. As I've said before, I'm disgusted by the many people on these boards who scream for war in faraway lands of which they know nothing, but I wouldn't call them psychopaths. However those who actually volunteer to go and fight in such wars, and apparently do so with great relish, strike me as seriously ill in the head.

 

[frogwoman]

They're still psychopaths though.

War is a very horrible business indeed. It's not to be taken lightly. As I've said before, I'm disgusted by the many people on these boards who scream for war in faraway lands of which they know nothing, but I wouldn't call them psychopaths. However those who actually volunteer to go and fight in such wars, and apparently do so with great relish, strike me as seriously ill in the head.

Who are these people?

 

[LDC]

So did Hitler.



Yes. But most normal people don't volunteer to fight in wars that are none of their business. Those who do can expect to be judged by the kind of army for which they volunteer. This guy volunteered to fight for an army that commits terrorist acts against civilians and uses child soldiers, among other atrocities. He really, really enjoyed fighting in wars. That makes him a psychopath in my book.

You do realize calling someone a psychopath is a diagnosis, rather than it just meaning they're doing something you don't like? I don't want to de-rail the excellent thread with arguing about this (and I know it's a cheap shot), but do you consider all the volunteers to Spain in the 30s psychopaths too?

 

[phildwyer]

Who are these people?

Which people?

 

[quiquaquo]

A textbook case of a psychopath.

And a criminal ( "the Foreign Enlistment Act 1870 makes it illegal for any Briton to join a foreign army at war with a state at peace with the UK" )

Doesn't apply to the IDF slaughtering Palestinians of course.

 

[frogwoman]

And a criminal ( "the Foreign Enlistment Act 1870 makes it illegal for any Briton to join a foreign army at war with a state at peace with the UK" )

Doesn't apply to the IDF slaughtering Palestinians of course.

Yeah there are loads of foreign fighters on a jihad for the jewish state of israel in the levant. I've posted about this before.,

 

[LDC]

And a criminal ( "the Foreign Enlistment Act 1870 makes it illegal for any Briton to join a foreign army at war with a state at peace with the UK" )

No, that doesn't apply in this case. The YPG/YPJ are not considered a foreign army, nor is ISIS 'a state at peace with the UK'. If you actually read and thought about the sentence you might have realized that.