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phildwyer what do you think should be done about isis then?

There are no real mass progressive w/c forces there and in the absence of that having some sympathy for the ypg would seem to be the least bad option.
 
this might be useful

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I guess phildwyer the question is this:

Should ISIS be integrated into the international system?

Should everyone just give up and accept that those are the borders of the caliphate and the caliphate is here to stay? (Until they want to expand again obviously) and fuck any shias, yezidis, christians or anyone who just doesnt want anything to do with al-Baghdadi's dictatorship? And anyone who takes up arms against them is a 'terrorist'? Should everyone just put down their weapons and let them get on with it?

And after everyone has stopped fighting them then what? How far do you go? Give caliph ibrahim a seat at the UN? let them sit at the human rights commission? Sell them loads of weapons to fight any YPG remnants and provide 'stability' and 'order' in the name of thinking that if we just don't do ISIS any more 'damage' (by treating them unequally to other states) then the problem will just go away and you can just forget that all the dead and beheaded people exist and ISIS won't be a threat as the situation is now 'normal'? Should cameron take a trip to Raqqa and shake his hand?

If you advocate that nobody does anything you're essentially saying that ISIS is no big deal and should just be allowed to murder people in peace.
 
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the NK'ers are de facto slave labour, sent to earn ££ for the regime, albeit higly qualified slaves - pretty fuckin poor show- does seem to show a complete lack of empathy for the plight of others who are under the thumb of a variant of fascism.

you would have thought that IS would have a regional political commisar role who could take this into account
 
It does expose however- as obvious as this is to anyone following this carange shitstorm - the utter lack of political awareness of these fuckpigs- the motivation for IS is impressively sold to saps and dupes as a theological campiagn, but the reatlity of the cash generation aspect overrides all other considerations as we have seen with the oil & artifact sidelines . This is an economic war, driven by manipulative shitholes, using deluded mugs to gain power and control.

cunts. capitalist cunts as that.

/ends
 
not-bono-ever said:
the NK'ers are de facto slave labour, sent to earn ££ for the regime, albeit higly qualified slaves - pretty fuckin poor show- does seem to show a complete lack of empathy for the plight of others who are under the thumb of a variant of fascism.

you would have thought that IS would have a regional political commisar role who could take this into account
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You would think that Dwyer is a pompous sophist.
 
I'm quite depressed thinking about these kids going over there or thinking about doing so. Some of them especially the girls are really young judging by their writing styles and things they post up yet they are talking to ISIS fighters who admit to having beheaded people and appeared in ISIS videos. It doesn't bear thinking about. When I was younger I was fucked up and stupid enough that I could easily have decided to do something really stupid and thank fuck I didn't. It's depressing as fuck to think about the kind of milieu these kids are being drawn into.
 
Stopped posting for bit but never stopped lurking.
This is a great thread about a horrifying shitstorm. Some great analysis posted/ linked here by the usual suspects.
Apart from the cases of handbags at forty paces i read as much as i can from this.


Sorry for the interruption, as you were!
 
frogwoman said:
phildwyer what do you think should be done about isis then?
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By whom?

What I really object to is this neo-colonialist attitude that leads the British to assume that, whenever a crisis arises in the world, it is their job to do something about it. It is precisely that attitude, and the disastrously stupid interventions to which it led, that brought about the success of ISIS in the first place.
 
I mean what should happen, not what the british govt or people on this thread should do. I tend to agree about the UK btw.
phildwyer said:
By whom?

What I really object to is this neo-colonialist attitude that leads the British to assume that, whenever a crisis arises in the world, it is their job to do something about it. It is precisely that attitude, and the disastrously stupid interventions to which it led, that brought about the success of ISIS in the first place.
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Would that also apply to the british people who went to fight for ISIS? Did they have a neo colonialist attitude as well?
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...y-ship-in-the-mediterranean-sea-10394112.html

Isis has claimed responsibility for a rocket attack which has seriously damaged an Egyptian navy ship anchored in the Mediterranean Sea.

Its claim to the attack came from a number of Twitter accounts known to be controlled by members of the militant group.

A spokesman for the Egyptian military, Brigadier General Mohammed Samir said the vessel caught fire during an exchange of fire with "terrorists" on the shore, and said no crew members were killed.
 
phildwyer said:
By whom?

What I really object to is this neo-colonialist attitude that leads the British to assume that, whenever a crisis arises in the world, it is their job to do something about it. It is precisely that attitude, and the disastrously stupid interventions to which it led, that brought about the success of ISIS in the first place.
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You seem to think the YPG are all terrorists and I'm assuming (hoping) don't think much of assad?

So would you just leave ISIS to it? And if/when you do, how far would you take it? I've asked that question several times and you haven't answered?
 
frogwoman said:
Would that also apply to the british people who went to fight for ISIS? Did they have a neo colonialist attitude as well?
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I wouldn't describe them as neo-colonialist. But I do think they're meddling in matters that they would be best advised to stay out of.
 
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