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"Under control is not an enough to describe the situation [in Sinai]... the situation is completely and absolutely very stable," said the Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi from an undisclosed location in Sinai, while wearing a military fatigue.

The statement seemed to contradict his uniform, the statement from his prime minister that "Egypt is in a state of war", and - most importantly - the 15 military targets that Sinai Province (SP) fighters were able to simultaneously attack two days earlier.

The July 2015 attacks were certainly SP figthers' most sophisticated so far.

They featured the use of S-16 anti-aircraft guided missiles that sent assaulting Apaches helicopters away. SP fighters also utilised several light mortars, heavy machine guns, Grad rockets that bombed al-Arish Airport, anti-tank missiles, and multiple versions of improvised explosive devices (IEDs), including remote-controlled IEDs (RCIEDs) and car bombs.
 
This interviews a quite brilliant example of what can be done with an Islamic nut job when western elements persuade him he needs a bit of rebranding to make him acceptable to a western audience . So they can give him missiles to fight for democracy .

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/middle-east/article24784780.html

Hard to believe that's the same guy in this video ranting on about all sorts . Displaying not only vicious sectarianism but quite stunning racism as well . Got to say I really admire the neck of his advisor who tells the western audience not to worry about that stuff as its just intended to stop his boys running off and joining IS . Quite an admission as to what the true nature of the moderate fighters on the ground actually is though . They have to be tricked into not joining IS by their leaders making IS style speeches .

This is amazing stuff altogether .



Btw it's seven minutes into his sectarian and racist rant when this moderate calls upon foreign jihadis to descend on Syria from all over the globe to destroy the assorted heretics and unbelievers ...not just in Syria but Iraq too. Seems like quite a few were listening to this moderate , currently presented in the west as someone who wants a government of technocrats and professionals . Elected under western standards .

But isn't it because of the very stuff he's saying that IS are such a threat ?
 
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I said earlier there 4 members of the FSAs governing council up to their necks with the jihadists .that was wrong ...I've just found a fifth . This one , saddam
Al jamal . Former supreme leader of the FSA in northern Syria . He's gone over to IS .
 
in news that suprised no on except a handful of MP's who are clearly not in the loop, some of our pilots have been working with the canadian and US air force to deliver the bad news from a very great height. I'm not sure why this has been a big media talking point today except a few MP's feeling cunted off as its been happening despite the vote against intervention in syria. Like we haven't already got SF on the ground and RAF in the air. Hearing them moan about how 'oh we voted against this'. Grow up for fucks sake, you took the whip, you've read history. You know how it works, or at least you bloody well should know.
 
frogwoman said:
If Daesh marched into your town and declared that it was now under sharia law, started beheading people and keeping girls as slaves, saying you have to pay a special tax, etc, wouldnt you want to fight back? Or would you say, 'whatever, they're not going to be defeated anyway and all their opponents are terrorists so whats the point'?
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That isn't the question you asked me is it? It's also a daft question, to which you know the answer perfectly well.

You seem to be trying to get me to declare support for one or another of the factions at war in Syria. I'm not going to do that, because I hate them all. That seems to me the only honorable position to take. Those who choose one side--more or less at random as far as I can see--and cheer for it, demonstrate that they have no conception of the true situation, and still less of a conception of what war means.
 
phildwyer said:
That isn't the question you asked me is it? It's also a daft question, to which you know the answer perfectly well.

You seem to be trying to get me to declare support for one or another of the factions at war in Syria. I'm not going to do that, because I hate them all. That seems to me the only honorable position to take. Those who choose one side--more or less at random as far as I can see--and cheer for it, demonstrate that they have no conception of the true situation, and still less of a conception of what war means.
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A war also means an outcome . If one desires to see a certain outcome in Syria then one is left with no alternative but to pick a side .
If one wishes to see Syria under sharia , with it's minorities either subjugated or driven out then it's natural they'd support the rebels . If one wishes to see a secular Syria retaining its patchwork of ethnicities and faiths then the government are the only option be ause they are the only force fighting for such a thing . Despite the snide propaganda efforts directed westwards I've outlined above .
Similarly , if one wishes the outcome of a strengthened and emboldened Zionist state , which no longer has to worry about Hezbollah in Lebanon or on the golan then one naturally chooses the rebel side . As the zionists did from the get go .If one wants to see the Zionist state face continued obstacles and resistance then one has no choice but to support the government side . As Hamas have found , as they now try desperately to mend their fences with the Syrian state after backing the Muslim brotherhood horse as they did in the beginning .

And they aren't the only ones . There's numerous accounts out there from civilians and FSA alike , admitting they'd supported the insurgency and the protests in the beginning . But once they'd saw it's real face they changed tack and transferred their support to the government .

Basically it boils down to whether one cares about what happens in Syria..and Lebanon..and to the Palestinians . If you do care then there's no option but to want an outcome . The nature of that outcome will depend entirely , in every respect , as to which side wins .
 
Casually Red said:
A war also means an outcome . If one desires to see a certain outcome in Syria then one is left with no alternative but to pick a side .
If one wishes to see Syria under sharia , with it's minorities either subjugated or driven out then it's natural they'd support the rebels . If one wishes to see a secular Syria retaining its patchwork of ethnicities and faiths then the government are the only option be ause they are the only force fighting for such a thing . Despite the snide propaganda efforts directed westwards I've outlined above .
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I do see your point. And I suppose that a government victory would be the least bad result. But I can't say that I support the government, because I don't. I hate it. I don't believe in Lesser Evilism.
 
I do not think there will be any winners in this conflict. It will be the organisation/the labelled ones in a sense, who are willing and able to carry on the killing until no one is left. From the Roman saying "create a desert and call it victory". This conflict will continue for the next decade atleast, too money to be made and land to grab for it to stop.
 
extra dry said:
I do not think there will be any winners in this conflict. It will be the organisation/the labelled ones in a sense, who are willing and able to carry on the killing until no one is left. From the Roman saying "create a desert and call it victory". This conflict will continue for the next decade atleast, too money to be made and land to grab for it to stop.
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Yep. And that's not just true of Syria, but of the entire Arab world.

A very interesting question is: cui bono?
 
This is a rather bizarre sounding story just emerging that I'm quite wary of . Erdogans daughter being present at a secret Turkish medical facility that treats wounded IS fighters . I find that quite fantastical and the source wishes to remain anonymous . But I'm intrigued by the reports mention of previous statements from the daughter indicating a desire to carry out medical volunteer work in IS held Mosul , that it claims drew a barrage of criticism from Turkish politicians .

http://awdnews.com/top-news/turkish...-injured-members,-reveals-a-disgruntled-nurse


Turkey it seems to me definitely have some special relationship with IS . I don't doubt that for a second . How else for example could Turkey have secured the release of 49 Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq , including diplomats and soldiers . Without a single shot fired and no ransom being paid .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Turkish-hostages-seized-in-northern-Iraq.html


And this footage , taken by mobile phone on a bus in downtown Ankara is just completely wtf .
I think there's little doubt as to which outfit this shaggy haired manky looking duo in combat fatigues owe their allegiance to .



If that's not IS on a tram in the middle of the Turkish capital then it's one he'll of an ironic fashion statement by some Turkish hipsters .
 
Casually Red said:
This is a rather bizarre sounding story just emerging that I'm quite wary of . Erdogans daughter being present at a secret Turkish medical facility that treats wounded IS fighters . I find that quite fantastical and the source wishes to remain anonymous . But I'm intrigued by the reports mention of previous statements from the daughter indicating a desire to carry out medical volunteer work in IS held Mosul , that it claims drew a barrage of criticism from Turkish politicians .

http://awdnews.com/top-news/turkish...-injured-members,-reveals-a-disgruntled-nurse


Turkey it seems to me definitely have some special relationship with IS . I don't doubt that for a second . How else for example could Turkey have secured the release of 49 Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq , including diplomats and soldiers . Without a single shot fired and no ransom being paid .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Turkish-hostages-seized-in-northern-Iraq.html


And this footage , taken by mobile phone on a bus in downtown Ankara is just completely wtf .
I think there's little doubt as to which outfit this shaggy haired manky looking duo in combat fatigues owe their allegiance to .



If that's not IS on a tram in the middle of the Turkish capital then it's one he'll of an ironic fashion statement by some Turkish hipsters .
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Bit of a jump that isn't it? An ISIS t shirt?
 
butchersapron said the Syrian government had killed 100,000 people.

This is why when you decide to 'put him on ignore' fucks things up when you say shit like

Casually Red said:
If one wishes to see a secular Syria retaining its patchwork of ethnicities and faiths then the government are the only option be ause they are the only force fighting for such a thing .
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Noone gets anywhere
 
Humberto said:
butchersapron said the Syrian government had killed 100,000 people.

This is why when you decide to 'put him on ignore' fucks things up when you say shit like



Noone gets anywhere
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I don't give a fuck what he said . It's why he's on ignore . I noticed last week when I hadn't logged in he also repeatedly claimed the FSA weren't Islamists . Neither his claims or his figures are worth engaging with . Much less his routine retreat into cryptocism in order to " win " on the internet. Which he also routinely attempts to police .
I no longer have to waste my time indulging his petty feuds . Threads aren't clogged up with vendettas .many threads have previously died when that shit started ..no more of it thanks . It's much better for us all that I've got him on ignore I can assure you .
 
Casually Red said:
I don't give a fuck what he said . It's why he's on ignore . I noticed last week when I hadn't logged in he also repeatedly claimed the FSA weren't Islamists . Neither his claims or his figures are worth engaging with . Much less his routine retreat into cryptocism in order to " win " on the internet. Which he also routinely attempts to police .
I no longer have to waste my time indulging his petty feuds . Threads aren't clogged up with vendettas .many threads have previously died when that shit started ..no more of it thanks . It's much better for us all that I've got him on ignore I can assure you .
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I don't mean to put the arm on you as I think you're worth reading. And I'm not trying to settle a fight, but one of the things he said which you would have missed is that the regime has killed 10s of thousands. We need to be careful. Is that not important?
 
Humberto said:
I don't mean to put the arm on you as I think you're worth reading. And I'm not trying to settle a fight, but one of the things he said which you would have missed is that the regime has killed 10s of thousands. We need to be careful. Is that not important?
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While I've no doubt that many civilians have been killed in government attacks on rebel held areas it's also a fact that these figures have been widely disputed . Not least due to the Syrian opposition groupings incessant habit of classing slain rebels as civilians . In order to create international support . He supports them , which is why he insists the evidence of their sectarianism and Islamic radicalism is a concocted conspiracy . I'll treat his other claims in the same vein .

Regardless of what propaganda efforts on the rebels behalf have to say about their supposed secularism the fact is that the so called moderates have been collaborating with , arming and even joining the likes of Islamic state and Al nusra from the very beginning . That's inescapable no matter how much certain rebel cheerleaders deny it . They make no secret of their hatred for Syrians minorities , or their churches , their graves or their shrines . Which the moderates have looted and desecrated with as much gusto as IS . Which is why those minorities oppose them with armed force .
If the rebels win Syria is doomed to monotheism and medieval barbarity . That's a simple statement of fact . Their spokesmen have boasted that's their goal . Alawites and Shia will simply be eradicated . Christians too . There's no getting away from that..we've seen the state Libya is in , and Syria will be a hell of a lot worse . So there's only one alternative to that . And it's the Syrian government .
 
DotCommunist said:
in news that suprised no on except a handful of MP's who are clearly not in the loop, some of our pilots have been working with the canadian and US air force to deliver the bad news from a very great height. I'm not sure why this has been a big media talking point today except a few MP's feeling cunted off as its been happening despite the vote against intervention in syria. Like we haven't already got SF on the ground and RAF in the air. Hearing them moan about how 'oh we voted against this'. Grow up for fucks sake, you took the whip, you've read history. You know how it works, or at least you bloody well should know.
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I can't believe it's news to anyone. There was an interview with one of the RN pilots in AFM last year.

Also, when parliament voted against it, the proposal was to bomb the fuck out of Assad's grim band of mustachioed chemical weapons dispensers. Now we've switched sides and they're acting as Assad's air force against ISIS so the malcontents should be happy.
 
Assad is a murderous tryrant a Saddam style hardman much like gadaffi though less flamboyant and bonkers.
Backing him against isis is like backing stalin against hitler.:(

Better than the alternative but still stinks.
 
likesfish said:
Assad is a murderous tryrant a Saddam style hardman much like gadaffi though less flamboyant and bonkers.
Backing him against isis is like backing stalin against hitler.:(

Better than the alternative but still stinks.
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Personally I like the cut of his jib and believe hell do a great job for Syria as soon as this business gets sorted out . Despite some bad setbacks a few months ago Syria certainly hasn't crumbled as many were confidently predicting and the armed forces have come back hard and made advances , while withstanding the kitchen sink repeatedly getting chucked at them . Theyve stood firm , blunted and deufeated numerous offensives against them and retaken territory .

And internationally things are starting to go in his favour . Erdogan seems to be electorally hobbled with any potential coalition partner opposed to his Syrian policy . Irans conclusion of its nuke deal will free up a great many assets that will assist the Syrians struggle . Lots of reasons for optimism .
 
Still a murderous tryant though.
Realpolitik stinks it stank when the same excuses were trotted out in south america and south africa and it reeks now.:(
 
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