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its very good. That whole podcast is well worth listening to if you like keeping track of what our bearded friends are doing.
 
http://m.ibtimes.co.in/isis-bans-be...-throat-decapitated-head-says-baghdadi-639669

Ah here we are:

The Islamic State's self-proclaimed caliph, Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, has reportedly banned the group from making videos showing beheadings, which Isis is notorious for, claiming that they affect Muslims and children.

Baghdadi has ordered Isis militants to only show the initial slitting of the prisoner's throat and the final scene of the victim's head placed on the body, the Al-Quds al-Arabi daily has reported.

Baghdadi reportedly sent letters to Isis media houses calling for a ban on beheading videos so as to "respect the sensitivities of Muslims and children who find such images repulsive".

Some Isis members have resisted the new rule, stating that the videos are meant to intimidate the "enemies", according to ARA News.

Heres the original source
http://aranews.net/2015/07/baghdadi-bans-broadcast-of-slaughter-scenes/

It wouldnt surprise me at all if this was true (and this ties in with what i unfortunately suspect is their long term strategy) but there is so much utter bollox reported about their internal policies I dont know what to believe. I reckon we need to keep an eye on this though.
 
Sounds like Cameron is going towards British boots on the ground without any UK parliamentary authority. If anything could inflame muslim anti British sentiment more than they already are, our soldiers killing muslims on the ground is likely to do just that. I don't know enough about it but I am alarmed by the idea of boots on the ground.
 
weltweit said:
Sounds like Cameron is going towards British boots on the ground without any UK parliamentary authority. If anything could inflame muslim anti British sentiment more than they already are, our soldiers killing muslims on the ground is likely to do just that. I don't know enough about it but I am alarmed by the idea of boots on the ground.
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I'm not sure it will happen though.
 
frogwoman said:
Thepolitical/idelogical juggernaut of Islam just crushes all opposition.


Islam is a religion of 1.2 million people you dick, there are probably as many ways to practice it as there are muslims. Do you know who else thinks ISIS's version is 'the true' version:facepalm:
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The basic texts, find out more about them, especially Bukhari. Then form your judgment. Every thing ISIS do, they check first if Mohammed did it.... Sad but true. It's a credit to the common decency of most people born into Muslim families that they avoid the unpleasant, hateful stuff.. but anyone trying to make a workable design for living out of the basic texts of Islam is trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

The violent minority will always be able to cow the peaceful majority by questioning their ideological purity and enforcing their thuggery with violence.

Your argument that "there are probably as many ways to practice it as there are muslims" is part of the problem... Muslims can't even agree on what Islam is supposed to be, and there is no top-down authority to definitively settle questions of doctrine. They're forever stuck in 630 AD.

Secondly, an argument from popularity is not really addressing the problem. For example, there is no minimum age of consent in Sharia Law... this is a problem. If Islam had only 100 followers, it would most likely be banned on grounds of child safety alone... not to mention the "violence inherent in the system".

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I cant imagine anyone in the US/UK would really want to get involved on the ground- action will be remote/ electronic I would of thought.

I have been thinking more of late about the acceptance of a de facto legitimacy of IS by the west in the future. Yes I know, hard to stomach, but not exactly outside the realms of possibility given the maceavellien nature of policy - a bit of regional stability, a distate for regime change that involves the bad PR of our boys being killed / maimed and more or less secure oil supplies...
 
Humberto said:
If they want to bomb ISIS logically they must want Assad to win or just prolong it indefinitely. But from what I understand Russia and Iran support Assad. Almost as if they don't know what the fuck to do.
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They want one thing and one thing only and that's to destroy Syria . IS are providing them all with the cover...western and Arab regimes deeply hostile to Syria ....to be in Syrian airspace , in violation of Syrian sovereignty without any type of UN mandate or legal basis . Dropping bombs . Once the gangs all assembled we may well see their true intentions .

These bastards destroyed Libya , acting as the airforce for the very same cunts who are running about beheading and all sorts there . And they intend to do the very same in Syria . Bombing jihadis with one hand and giving them weapons with the other . Meanwhile IS can seemingly swan in and out of a NATO country at will . While AQ can swan in and out of Israeli hospitals with no questions asked either .

They've only one enemy there and it's the Syrian Army , nobody else .
 
Humberto said:
It would take massive numbers anyway I would think on the scale of Iraq and Afghanistan. Can't see it in the short term.
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They've a proxy army of jihadists on the ground already , tens of thousands strong from all over the world . With jihadi leaders being given western make overs to get the public ready for them .
 
Casually Red said:
They want one thing and one thing only and that's to destroy Syria
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Makes sense. They've done it numerous times.

Casually Red said:
IS are providing them all with the cover...western and Arab regimes deeply hostile to Syria ....to be in Syrian airspace , in violation of Syrian sovereignty without any type of UN mandate or legal basis . Dropping bombs . Once the gangs all assembled we may well see their true intentions .
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American military on stand by for the next war?

Casually Red said:
These bastards destroyed Libya , acting as the airforce for the very same cunts who are running about beheading and all sorts there . And they intend to do the very same in Syria . Bombing jihadis with one hand and giving them weapons with the other . Meanwhile IS can seemingly swan in and out of a NATO country at will . While AQ can swan in and out of Israeli hospitals with no questions asked either .
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Everyone with an ounce of sense could see Libya would be worse off for 'regime change'. Have I been propagandised here about Syria?

Casually Red said:
They've only one enemy there and it's the Syrian Army , nobody else .
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Think that the aim is to hold ISIS back in the short term.
 
Humberto said:
Makes sense. They've done it numerous times.



American military on stand by for the next war?



Everyone with an ounce of sense could see Libya would be worse off for 'regime change'. Have I been propagandised here about Syria?



Think that the aim is to hold ISIS back in the short term.
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I don't believe they've any intention of sending their troops in . Like I said they've got an army of jihadists there already .Just as they had in Libya .

Had they gotten their way after that gas malarkey either IS or AQ would be ruling Damascus today ..there's no doubt about that. All they want is to take syria down . IS gives them their in .

If they wanted IS destroyed then the simple way to go about that is to dismantle their rebel co ordination posts , stop arming and funding the rebels and thereby free the Syrian army up to go take IS out . Thats the biggest army on the ground you can actually trust to take IS out . same goes for Hezbollah .

They know full well the other guys they're backing are almost every bit as bad as IS , and can't even trust most of them not to join IS . Like thousands of them have already . The hullabaloo their making about IS atrocities just doesn't stand up to proper scrutiny . Not when you look at who exactly it is they have waiting in the wings to take over and what they've openly boasted of doing to minorities once they take over . And what they already have done .

Instead they've ramped up their assistance to the other jihadis , continued to keep Syria under sanction to destroy its economy ...making the state crumble , and creating the ideal conditions of poverty and neglect that they know full well breed jihadists . Or ensure young guys will fight for or have allegiance to whoever can pay them . While IS coffers are overflowing .

As far as I can see their aims the destruction of Syria and the excuse of combatting IS is little more than an excuse to be in Syrias skies , while also deflecting public attention from the type of no good scum they're militarily backing .
 
Casually Red said:
They want one thing and one thing only and that's to destroy Syria . IS are providing them all with the cover...western and Arab regimes deeply hostile to Syria
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And above all, Israel.

The Neo-cons in America had been planning proxy wars on Israel's behalf for ten years before 9/11 gave them their opportunity. The plan was to reduce Israel's main enemies to chaos and disorder, and they're determined to finish the job while the iron's still relatively hot.

The one significant problem they have left is Iran, and it seems that they didn't quite get the excuse they needed this time. But they'll soon be back with another.
 
Lazy Fare said:
. Muslims can't even agree on what Islam is supposed to be, and there is no top-down authority to definitively settle questions of doctrine.
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Yeah, if only there was some sort of political entity which could decide what the true islam is supposed to be for all muslims, led by a religious scholar who made all his decisions based on Shariah Law. Some sort of Islamic State perhaps. Oh hang on .... :facepalm:
 
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not-bono-ever said:
I cant imagine anyone in the US/UK would really want to get involved on the ground- action will be remote/ electronic I would of thought.

I have been thinking more of late about the acceptance of a de facto legitimacy of IS by the west in the future. Yes I know, hard to stomach, but not exactly outside the realms of possibility given the maceavellien nature of policy - a bit of regional stability, a distate for regime change that involves the bad PR of our boys being killed / maimed and more or less secure oil supplies...
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That's what I think could happen too. *shudder*. Did you see the thing I posted about Baghdadi now banning beheading videos that are 'too violent' (although not the crimes themselves)
 
frogwoman said:
That's what I think could happen too. *shudder*...
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i think a de facto acceptance of IS is quite likely (acceptance being what happens when you develop cancer or your partner dies): it seems pretty obvious that the Syrian army has neither the power nor the inclination to fight IS on a wide, sustained front to expel them from Syian territory, the Iraqi army barely exists and fails even to pass the 'wet paper bag' test, the Shia 'militia' groups appear to have scared the Iraqi government into curtailing them - and anyway they are about as welcome as Chlamydia in the Sunni heartlands of north-western Iraq - and the Kurdish groups dont appear to have either the capability or desire to move far beyond their homelands, added to which the Iraqi and Turkish governments violently oppose arming such groups with the mobility and firepower they'd need to fight IS out of existance.

airpower on its own can keep IS in its box, it can help ground forces overcome it, but on its own it can't clear them from every town and village. if they is no ground partner...
 
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