The Islamic state
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Starry Wisdom
i wonder whether the americans might wish to consider protecting archaeological sites with threats of use of tactical neutron bombs.
not-bono-ever
meh
Israel have neutron bombs they could use to protect things.Im suprised netty hasnt beeen digging them out and dusting them off, just in case...
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Fortunately (for us, if not their victims) nowhere near enough of them, with the end result that their antics played a large role in them losing the war.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
Wiki describes Ras al Ayn/Sere Kaniye as 'heterogenous', and the entry on the liberation of the town from Assad sounds complicated - FSA, YPG & non-specific 'jihadis' fighting for ascendancy after Assad's mob were dislodged. Any idea who is responsible for security there now, or if there is a monopoly of military/coercive power?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no one knows
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
I'll phone Ras al Ayn nick and see who answers.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I don't know, i think it must be YPG probably alone for now given who appears to be defending (and lots of dead already) - and maybe a local informal truce up to this point. Or this point last week if you see what i mean.
On a related point, the FSA group who have been with the YPG since kobani must be picking up support/recruits in the last few months - in these mixed areas this is going to be so important.
J Ed
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Why would they? ISIS are no real threat to Israel, in fact its existence offers many strategic advantages to them. ISIS and the Syrian Civil War keeps Hezbollah and Iran very busy and ties up their resources, causes further threats to the unity of Palestinian leadership particular in the diaspora, takes attention away from the day to day occupation and allows the Israeli PR machine to compare Hamas to ISIS.
There is a reason why Israel aids the FSA (and probably al-Nusra), much to the consternation of Druze in the IDF at aid given to the persecutors of their co-religionists across the border, they want this to go on as long as it can.
butchersapron
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Israel aids the FSA?
butchersapron
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J Ed
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Should have clarified to say medical aid, I haven't read anything about any other kind of aid.
Will read the piece you linked in a bit, cheers
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
"Loony" is arguable. They certainly purged the right-revolutionary tendency in the party, once they'd helped facilitate the "seizure of power".
Er, only in the mythology of more excitable 1980s commentators.
Neutron bombs still cause considerable blast damage. See references to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb#Effects_of_a_neutron_bomb_in_the_open_.26_in_a_city
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
One of Daesh Aussie recruits has died in a suicide attack in Ramadi. He however has left a blog which is in part in the Telegraph about how he came to be part of Daesh.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...tyr-wrote-before-suicide-mission-in-Iraq.html
From what I gather he was part of a wave of attacks in Ramadi killing 10 and injuring 30 others.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...tyr-wrote-before-suicide-mission-in-Iraq.html
From what I gather he was part of a wave of attacks in Ramadi killing 10 and injuring 30 others.
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butchersapron
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
aware of that: thought their use might be a deterrent; do not have to be used ON archaeological sites.
not-bono-ever
meh
that is so very sad. being used as fodder for those arseholes. what a waste of lives
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Hard to believe that he wrote any of that tbh.
J Ed
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Geri
wasn't born to follow
I'm furious about this - absolutely fuming!
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
the problem appears to be her choice of group to affiliate with while she was doing whatever she was doing (m'lud) - YPG, and many others, are not listed as a terrorist group and no prosecutions have started against people affiliating with them, but PKK definitly is on the terrorist group list, and not near the bottom.
not everyone who is the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
EMERGENCY PICKET OUTSIDE HOLLOWAY WOMEN'S PRISON IN LONDON! Tonight, 6pm. Free Shilan Ozcelik NOW!!!!
Mr Campbell claimed the prosecution “clearly seems to be linked” to the news last week that former Royal Marine Konstandinos Erik Scurfield, from Barnsley, South Yorkshire, was the first Briton to have been killed fighting against Isis in Syria.
“It’s a political thing from the British Government because they are concerned that more British people are expressing support for the Kurds’ fight against Isis, because they don’t want to upset their [fellow] Nato member Turkey,” Mr Campbell said. “That is absolutely disgraceful and disgusting.”
Even if the allegation is true, “her only motivation was to fight Isis”, he added. “What jury is going to convict somebody who has expressed a desire to defeat this modern day fascism?”
While hundreds of Britons are thought to have joined Isis, a growing number are joining the fight against them – mainly within the ranks of Kurdish militia. Up to 50 Britons may have gone to Syria to fight against Isis and President Assad’s regime, according to Dr Afzal Ashraf, a counter-terrorism expert at the Royal United Services Institute.
Mr Campbell claimed the prosecution “clearly seems to be linked” to the news last week that former Royal Marine Konstandinos Erik Scurfield, from Barnsley, South Yorkshire, was the first Briton to have been killed fighting against Isis in Syria.
“It’s a political thing from the British Government because they are concerned that more British people are expressing support for the Kurds’ fight against Isis, because they don’t want to upset their [fellow] Nato member Turkey,” Mr Campbell said. “That is absolutely disgraceful and disgusting.”
Even if the allegation is true, “her only motivation was to fight Isis”, he added. “What jury is going to convict somebody who has expressed a desire to defeat this modern day fascism?”
While hundreds of Britons are thought to have joined Isis, a growing number are joining the fight against them – mainly within the ranks of Kurdish militia. Up to 50 Britons may have gone to Syria to fight against Isis and President Assad’s regime, according to Dr Afzal Ashraf, a counter-terrorism expert at the Royal United Services Institute.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What jury is going to convict her ffs.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There's some political use to be made of it, but she's going to have to sit on remand waiting for it. So she's still fighting, just on a different front.
Blair, the partial father of all this, blathers away about the situation at the same time. Sickening.
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seventh bullet
sovietwave
My elderly mum (and half-arsed Stalinist in her youth), who is not usually that vocal on stuff these days being preoccupied with illness was feeling the same when we spoke about it, froggy. Same with the media crap about their fallen comrade Scurfield. I like it when my mum swears.
butchersapron
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Does anyone have a copy of the met statement from earlier this month which seemed to suggest she was charged with preparing to carry out a terrorist attack (multiple sources with exact same wording suggests this was taken straight from the OB) rather than the reality:
the conduct being trying to join the PKK (and if i hear one more the PKK took my baby away joke today...). Here's the relevant law - i'd like to see just how the police span their PR back then to try and create a guilty verdict before any trial - and i'm sure Silhan's defence team would too.
edit:Here she is being excellently angry
the conduct being trying to join the PKK (and if i hear one more the PKK took my baby away joke today...). Here's the relevant law - i'd like to see just how the police span their PR back then to try and create a guilty verdict before any trial - and i'm sure Silhan's defence team would too.
edit:Here she is being excellently angry
Geri
wasn't born to follow
This is a letter I have drafted to send to my MP. Can anyone think of anything else I should say?
Dear Kerry
You will no doubt be aware of the prosecution of Silhan Ozcelik, 18, from London, who is accused of travelling to Brussels in October last year in a bid to join the guerrilla army in the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) in the fight against ISIS. As you know this organisation is on the Government’s list of banned terror groups.
Ms Ozcelik is charged with: “Engaging in conduct in preparation for giving effect to an intention to commit acts of terrorism contrary to section 5 (1) (a) of the Terrorism Act 2006” and is currently remanded in Holloway Prison, North London, pending her trial in April.
I feel that this trial is politically motivated and an attempt to discourage other British citizens from joining the fight against ISIS, possibly as a result of a pressure from Turkey who are a NATO ally and who have repressed the Kurdish minority in Turkey for many years.
I am disgusted that a young girl whose only motive is to fight for justice and democracy is being treated in this way by the British Government. I urge you to do everything in your power to put pressure on the Home Secretary Theresa May to immediately release Silhan and review the charges brought.
Yours sincerely
Dear Kerry
You will no doubt be aware of the prosecution of Silhan Ozcelik, 18, from London, who is accused of travelling to Brussels in October last year in a bid to join the guerrilla army in the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) in the fight against ISIS. As you know this organisation is on the Government’s list of banned terror groups.
Ms Ozcelik is charged with: “Engaging in conduct in preparation for giving effect to an intention to commit acts of terrorism contrary to section 5 (1) (a) of the Terrorism Act 2006” and is currently remanded in Holloway Prison, North London, pending her trial in April.
I feel that this trial is politically motivated and an attempt to discourage other British citizens from joining the fight against ISIS, possibly as a result of a pressure from Turkey who are a NATO ally and who have repressed the Kurdish minority in Turkey for many years.
I am disgusted that a young girl whose only motive is to fight for justice and democracy is being treated in this way by the British Government. I urge you to do everything in your power to put pressure on the Home Secretary Theresa May to immediately release Silhan and review the charges brought.
Yours sincerely
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
wouldn't this be more the remit of the justice secretary?
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