frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
On a guy in the jordanian army, a japanese journalist, yezidi women and kids etc, gay people, sunni tribes .. give me a fucking break
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On a guy in the jordanian army, a japanese journalist, yezidi women and kids etc, gay people, sunni tribes .. give me a fucking break
Killing civilians and torturing prisoners. Hence the orange jump suits.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and who was doing this?
The Jordanian army, among many others.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
An english man decides to take part in snuff movies showing unarmed civilians for revenge against the west?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
could you tell me when the jordanian army was last in syria?
He sees himself as a Muslim, with a duty to avenge fellow Muslims.
What message do you think they are sending with the orange jump suits? Are they not saying: you treat ours like that, we treat yours like this?
Pickman's, this is ridiculous.
You keep asking me questions when the answers are common knowledge. You're going to have to start looking them up yourself now.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
The jordanian man is muslim
Most of those killed in attacks by isis, and fellow jihadis are muslim, the car bombs in baghdad etc
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if it's common knowledge then you won't have any trouble posting something up.
Froggy, I want to carry on this conversation--I think it's really important--but I have to leave the screen for a bit. I'll be back later.
Meanwhile, I'd appreciate it if you (or others) could address this question, it's a genuine one:
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
So far I'm not aware of any western captors torching prisoners alive for the cameras.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
perhaps you could answer one or two questions yourself on your return.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
from what i've seen the answer is indeed common knowledge: that the jordanian army not in syria.
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If we're constructing a league table of cruelty, I'd rather be burned to death than spend ten years in Gitmo.
Really got to run now...
hot air baboon
Well-Known Member
...that serbo-croat stuff is unfathomably horrible...mind you didn't they have fully paid up priests and nuns involved in running their death camps....Franciscans etc...
...Sajida al-Rishawi in particular I'd have thought....
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
take your time coming back
Flavour
hang the bankers
Beyond words. It's madness. I feel like ISIS have gone straight into Total War mode, committing their greatest atrocities in the knowledge that their reign over the land will be over soon, much like the Nazis sped things up towards the end, though at the same time, they seem to be consolidating power in that massive chunk of Iraq they control and could potentially last quite a while if they aren't faced by a serious army - Kobane was a setback, but it also seems to have been an exception, and far from a Stalingrad.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
Killed a month ago, according to Jordanian military press release. Various news reports suggesting Jordan will hang five prisoners tonight.
teqniq
DisMembered
I am at a loss as to see what they thought to gain here. Revenge OK I can see that they might want that seeing as how the Jordanians have been involved in the airstrikes but in and of itself revenge is not really a goal with any real and concrete benefits apart from gratification. Here I come to the possibility that the people in charge contain a high proportion of psychopaths and/or sociopaths. The Jordanians are likely to want revenge in spades for this. ISIS are looking increasingly isolated to me.
BandWagon
Life's a bitch and then you die...
It could be that they are trying to shock the Jordanian people into forcing the king to stop the action against them.
teqniq
DisMembered
Yea maybe, the thought had latterly occurred to me after I posted the above, however I suspect it will backfire badly.
BandWagon
Life's a bitch and then you die...
I hope you're right. But once the body bags start coming back civilian populations often lose their appetite for war.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not sure there'll be many body bags coming back
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
they seem to be doing 'pay us or fuck you and your citizen'
That only works if a state will bend to rescue one man. They won't. Terry Waite chained to a radiator for 6 years must be feeling pretty lucky right now.
It's not logical for daesh though, its cutting all ties. All outs. All chances at negotiation ever. They really want the glorious death don't they. How can you reach out to that ffs.
That only works if a state will bend to rescue one man. They won't. Terry Waite chained to a radiator for 6 years must be feeling pretty lucky right now.
It's not logical for daesh though, its cutting all ties. All outs. All chances at negotiation ever. They really want the glorious death don't they. How can you reach out to that ffs.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
but its a strategic failure. Banzai never worked, kamikaze never worked. It leaves the operator dead and some cold eyed observer of the horror to make plans, to counter the force presented by suicide squads. It just can't win, it never has. I'd call it a kind of nihilism but they do believe, believe in a bone deep way.
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