The fatality rate of Covid19

[Sue]

Don't know how any of you can be arsed tbh.

 

[Supine]

I'm glad your not the health secretary!

 

[klang]

The whole approach to reasoning and logic in this area seems so loose and carefree, as if everybody just * wants * covid19 to be some super serious threat that justifies closing down the whole world, and not just a regular bog-standard unremarkable seasonal mild cough.

Nevermind the evidence, just PANIC and buy lots of toilet paper!

 

[keybored]

Why are people so ready to take the official line on this? Why are they afraid of people asking reasonable questions? How is it that everyone wants to believe things that I do not believe? Why is grass green? I'll ignore your rebuttal; here's a YouTube video that backs me up on my new point.

Things just don't add up. It doesn't make sense. Really makes you think, doesn't it? etc. etc. etc. ad fucking nauseam.

 

[frogwoman]

'The whole approach to reasoning and logic in this area seems so loose and carefree'

Physician, heal thyself

 

[Mation]

I'm glad your not the health secretary!

 

[elbows]

This ^ is incorrect

Nobody has immunity to covid19 because it is a new strain

Equivalently - nobody has immunity to flu every new flu season, because flu mutates into a new strain every year. Immunity only works for the previous year's strain.

In this specific sense, there is no difference whatsoever between flu and coronavirus, both mutate into new strains on a yearly basis

So you have not explained why there is no lockdown during each year's flu season, is there an explanation? Or is it, as i am starting to think, inexplicable?

This is the last time I will reply to you because you have now revealed the depths of your ignorance to an extent that I feel no need to learn more about it going forwards.

There are lots of forms of influenza out there, and they do evolve over time.

But every year they most certainly do not suddenly change into something new and previously unseen by our immune system. Levels of both natural and vaccine-acquired immunity do vary in people over time, but generally speaking the whole point about the normal flu seasons is that their effects on humanity are much less precisely because a big chunk of the population has some level of immunity against them.

Sometimes they reach the point where they have evolved to the stage that overall levels of immunity in the community are insufficient to prevent epidemic-scale levels of illness, or there are some other reasons why immunity isnt high that year, and we end up with a bad season.

And then there are the times where a brand new strain of flu ends up in humans, one where there is no or very limited immunity against it in populations around the world, and then we have a pandemic on our hands. The strain of flu involved need be no nastier than any other flu, but via its sheer potential to infect so many more people, its toll on humanity can be very significant.

There are several more layers of complexity to the issue of any existing immunity towards particular flu strains. For example the 2009 swine flu pandemic was a rather mild pandemic because it turned out that the strain of flu involved had some similarities with a strain that older people had probably experience earlier in their lives. So older people probably had some level of immunity. Which meant the 2009 flu ended up being thought of largely as a disease of younger people.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Do you think these doctors are.. mistaken?
They reckon deaths are being under recorded.

Doctors And Nurses Say More People Are Dying Of COVID-19 In The US Than We Know

“The numbers are grossly underreported. I know for a fact that we’ve had three deaths in one county where only one is listed on the website,” one California ER doctor told BuzzFeed News.

www.buzzfeednews.com

Hi Joe.
Do you think that this happens every year with flu too? Or that perhaps all these doctors & nurses were in their 80s?

'As if a storm hit': more than 40 Italian health workers have died since crisis began

Majority of those infected during early stages in the north when protective equipment lacking

www.theguardian.com

Or do you think maybe possibly it is you who is wrong and not the whole rest of the world.

Have you noticed that joe_infinity doesn't like to address anything or anyone that makes him look like a tin foil tool? He's your classic 'domes on the moon' hatter, who, instead of answering questions put to him, runs off and finds a video from another tin foil hatter, and regurgitates it with gusto.

 

[joe_infinity]

But every year they most certainly do not suddenly change into something new and previously unseen by our immune system.

This is ^ incorrect

Each year, new strains of cold, flu and other seasonal illnesses mutate which are 100% new to our immune system. So, last year's flu immunisation is 100% ineffective against this year's influenza strain.

This year's influenza strain is equally as 'new' to the immune system as this year's coronavirus strain (covid19)

Also note that this is mutation, not evolution.

the whole point about the normal flu seasons is that their effects on humanity are much less precisely because a big chunk of the population has some level of immunity against them.

This ^ is also demonstrably untrue, see for example the statistic about the 28000 people who died from flu in England in 2014/15. That is a much bigger "effect on humanity" than a few hundred covid19 deaths surely?

 

[Supine]

What kind of a fucking numpty tries to compare figures from the start of one outbreak (covid) to the final years total figure for another (flu). Hells bells we have a thick’un here lads.

 

[bendeus]

This is ^ incorrect

Each year, new strains of cold, flu and other seasonal illnesses mutate which are 100% new to our immune system. So, last year's flu immunisation is 100% ineffective against this year's influenza strain.

This year's influenza strain is equally as 'new' to the immune system as this year's coronavirus strain (covid19)

Also note that this is mutation, not evolution.




This ^ is also demonstrably untrue, see for example the statistic about the 28000 people who died from flu in England in 2014/15. That is a much bigger "effect on humanity" than a few hundred covid19 deaths surely?

Wake up, SHEEPLE!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This is ^ incorrect

Each year, new strains of cold, flu and other seasonal illnesses mutate which are 100% new to our immune system. So, last year's flu immunisation is 100% ineffective against this year's influenza strain.

This year's influenza strain is equally as 'new' to the immune system as this year's coronavirus strain (covid19)

Also note that this is mutation, not evolution.




This ^ is also demonstrably untrue, see for example the statistic about the 28000 people who died from flu in England in 2014/15. That is a much bigger "effect on humanity" than a few hundred covid19 deaths surely?

Oh this is joyous. I don't quite know where to begin, so I'll just wallow in the glory that is 'this is mutation, not evolution'.

 

[elbows]

Each year, new strains of cold, flu and other seasonal illnesses mutate which are 100% new to our immune system. So, last year's flu immunisation is 100% ineffective against this year's influenza strain.

You dont know what you are talking about at all. Its a shame, the subject is really quite interesting when it comes to deeper detail but you wont even accept the very basics or go and check for yourself.

The concept of original antigenic sin is quite interesting, for example.

Original antigenic sin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[rekil]

I bet this disgusting fucker doesn't even wash his hands. Loons are actively getting people killed.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I work from a number of GP surgeries. I am troubled by a conversation today with a GP who told me if people die now with underlying health issues but also test positive for C19 they are recorded as dying from the underlying health issues, not c19 even if it is obvious that C19 has caused premature death. FFS.

 

[xes]

I work from a number of GP surgeries. I am troubled by a conversation today with a GP who told me if people die now with underlying health issues but also test positive for C19 they are recorded as dying from the underlying health issues, not c19 even if it is obvious that C19 has caused premature death. FFS.

And this is how you keep the numbers nice and low. And all those who never get tested, they'll not be counted either. And in China you needed all sorts of good fortune to get a test done. Going to multiple hospitals just to get a certificate, most hospitals only had a certain number of certs to give out. (you needed a certificate of contagion or something, can't remember what exactly, but you needed one before you were seen.) Even then you still had to wait until a bed became free, and there was a biiiiig old waiting list. Lots of people died at home, untested, uncounted.

 

[elbows]

And we already know that the people who are dying at home arent being included in the daily UK death figures, ostensibly because they arent testing people unless they are in hospital. I expect there will be other causes of underreporting too.

 

[Cid]

Oh this is joyous. I don't quite know where to begin, so I'll just wallow in the glory that is 'this is mutation, not evolution'.

Now there's a tagline... (I'll change it back when I wake up sober).

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Like someone said earlier...bloody elbows and your facts and actual understanding of things

 

[tommers]

I claim my £5 etc.

 

[frogwoman]

I claim my £5 etc.

One step away from 'crisis actors'.

 

[xes]

Just leave this here




Maybe they ran out of pots to grow strawberries in?

 

[keybored]

I claim my £5 etc.

This reminds me to share a photograph with a couple demonstrating how social distancing should not be done.

 

[Hollis]

Interesting thread here on why children are less susceptible. - After he goes through the stats he puts forward various current theories..