the all new 2005 who's taking a trip to holloway thread

[Pickman's model]

yes we both kno i know that - i like the wombles greatly. Socially aside though, what are the links? I am reacting, badly perhaps i admit, to what i see as montey criticising antifa out of hand.

I don't want to fall out with him in any way. You know that.

I do however disagree that 1) anti fascism has to be explicitly anti-capitalist 2) Outsiders to the @ movement should be trated badly and it should try to be an @ only project.

I am not basing this entirely on this thread and for that reason... I will follow these discussions up elsewhere

Lets not derail any more.

there has to be a class basis to anti-fascist activity, imo. as for the bit about outsiders to the @ movement, i think you'll find that there's a lot of good anti-fascist militants who aren't anarchists but broadly share the antifa analysis.

 

[Pickman's model]

- a 2 day event
-- with theoretical conference on one day
-- and practical conference on another day

- an even bigger space

- a big rave in argos afterwards

perhaps finding a venue first might be an idea?

& by theoretical conference, do you mean an actual conference or a virtual one?

 

[knopf]

No link? Dear god that'd better be sorted out soon, otherwise who knows what they might be accused of...

Or indeed, what might happen to the non-linkers. Mind you, we are talking antifa.....

 

[Taxamo Welf]

No link? Dear god that'd better be sorted out soon, otherwise who knows what they might be accused of...

Btw have Wombles got an antifa link up?

yes

 

[chegrimandi]

fuck wrong thread

 

[Pickman's model]

grown men and teenagers on tiny petrol motorbikes - they don't look good or cool, they are far too fucking small for you, you like like a twat and your shit childs vehicle makes the noise of a legion of massive ten tonne trucks.....

i think you may have posted that on the wrong thread.

 

[Pickman's model]

fuck wrong thread

haha!

 

[chegrimandi]

i think you may have posted that on the wrong thread.

cheers picky you fucker!!

 

[Taxamo Welf]

perhaps finding a venue first might be an idea?

& by theoretical conference, do you mean an actual conference or a virtual one?

actual! i mean have the more general stuff on one day, then the action planning on the next. I'l go through the program and split the meeting into one category or the other if you like - right now i have to dash.

ciao darlings *mwah* *mwah*

 

[Pickman's model]

cheers picky you fucker!!

 

[rednblack]

it?

I thought you were just going to say it hasn't done owt for 6 months which would be more or less correct

no, it wouldnt

 

[montevideo]

sorry, maybe i'm wrong - what links with other groups were there apart from antifa?

one of our lot's in the iww if that helps. Organising their big bash as ramparts. See you down there!

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=136610

(not croatian dan)

 

[Herbert Read]

don't know. Lack of political evolvement? You can only be a street gang, & just a street gang, for so long. Website's looking good though!

http://www.antifa.org.uk

Meanwhile the wombles will storm on as long as ketamine is plenty and dancing in a tescos on mayday is radical.

Dont forget the amazingness of dissent, strength to strength.

If you are slagging of antifa london then please state it quite clearly if you have something to say about yorkshire comrades then do so.

 

[montevideo]

Meanwhile the wombles will storm on as long as ketamine is plenty and dancing in a tescos on mayday is radical.

Dont forget the amazingness of dissent, strength to strength.

If you are slagging of antifa london then please state it quite clearly if you have something to say about yorkshire comrades then do so.

i think the yorkshire lot stand head & shoulders, mate. No-one slagging off antifa so calm down.

Your 'professional arsehole' act on the other hand is wearing a little thin. Maybe stick to talking photo's eh?

 

[Herbert Read]

what?

what are you on about photos i have never taken any photos.

 

[Col_Buendia]

- a 2 day event
-- with theoretical conference on one day
-- and practical conference on another day

- an even bigger space

- a big rave in argos afterwards

That's a good idea. Especially for those of us who <treads carefully> have to travel to the bookfair. Socialising over pre-riot pints in Weatherspoons is more difficult if you have a 200 mile journey ahead of you.

Sorry to have missed, err, everyone. Got there too late, only time to do a bit of shopping, and didn't stay long enough to see the revolution. Bugger.

On a different note, can anyone stand far enough back from this thread and tell me what the fucking animosity is all about please? Seems to be libcom vs the wombles, antifa vs the wombles, or somebody vs somebody. If there is some hidden domestic London antipathy, perhaps ye want to keep it out of sight of the rest of the internet-using public, cos quite frankly the bile here should make people hang their heads in shame. I thought the trotskyite left were bad enough at the internecine bickering, but the past few pages of this thread make me want to just give up in despair.

 

[blamblam]

Nah mate you've got it wrong, it's libcom and the Wombles, versus antifa. Antifascism is bourgeois.

www.internationalism.org

 

[Col_Buendia]

Nah mate you've got it wrong, it's libcom and the Wombles, versus antifa. Antifascism is bourgeois.

www.internationalism.org

Fair enough, I should have added that if it is an in-joke then I'll just give up (without the despair).

 

[newbie]

I wouldn't bother. Us ordinary internet-using mortals aren't so stupid we don't recognise the difference between political opponents and political enemies. We wouldn't believe an outbreak of peace, love and understanding across any part of the left. When we see it happen within the mainstream parties we know full well it's a hypocritical mask to cover up the naked pursuit of power. If the left tried that sort of thing they'd merely look ridiculous.


Anyway, it's entertaining

 

[Rob Ray]

tis Londoners, they just don't seem to get along (personally I think it's something in the water). There's some personal difference between some Libcom ppl and the wombles (which is convoluted and frankly even less interesting than what I sneezed up this morning), but not afaik between antifa and wombles.

 

[Herbert Read]

In real life i love monte hes my favourite womble

 

[Col_Buendia]

<snip>
Anyway, it's entertaining

With all due respect, permit me to disagree with you there, newbie. By page 9-10-11 it seemed to be a handbag fest of someone being a lifestyler, someone else going to public school and someone else (or maybe the same person all three?) being called "shitforbrains".

It's a fucking disgrace. But fuck it, what do I care? When people profess a committment to a certain politics, and then can't see past their own fucking egos/personalities (if what Rob posted is the case), it seems clear from this (my) distance that the politics is taking a back seat to happy handbagging.

Christ.

 

[Chuck Wilson]

i think the yorkshire lot stand head & shoulders, mate. No-one slagging off antifa so calm down.

Your 'professional arsehole' act on the other hand is wearing a little thin. Maybe stick to talking photo's eh?[/QUOTE]

 

[Herbert Read]

cheek

 

[charlie mowbray]

i think the yorkshire lot stand head & shoulders, mate. No-one slagging off antifa so calm down.

Your 'professional arsehole' act on the other hand is wearing a little thin. Maybe stick to talking photo's eh?[/QUOTE]

"If I had a talking picture of you,
I would play it every time I felt blue,
I would sit there in the gloom
of my lonely little room
if I had a talking picture of you"

 

[sovietpop]

In real life i love monte hes my favourite womble

he's the Irish favourite too because he shares our love of middle of the road country and western music, especially at one am in the morning, sleep deprived after the bookfair.


though he seems wary of our whisky

 

[charlie mowbray]

So, middle of the road, eh, rather than the radicalism of honkytonk and rockabilly!

 

[catch]

edit: removed because the joke had been done better already.

 

[gurrier]

- a 2 day event
-- with theoretical conference on one day
-- and practical conference on another day

- an even bigger space

- a big rave in argos afterwards

Good call. I reckon that it should have much tighter requirements than the bootsale though - with some minimum level of politics required for stalls / meetings. Also the bonkers brigade (primmos, 911-anoids) should not be welcome. Finally, some effort should be made to make the event less welcoming to random drunks and the "fuk yr facist rulez" types.

It'd be a small start in the effort to convey a slightly more sensible public face of anarchism in the UK. It would also give those people who love to moan about the shit state of things a chance to lead by example.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

amendments thanks to monte and gurrier

- a 2 day event
-- with theoretical conference on one day
-- and practical conference on another day

- an even bigger space

- no primmos or 911 loonies allowed into the treehouse, with Herbert 'professional arsehole' Read as our doorman.

- a big rave in argos afterwards

- evrybody who whined this year doing something ha ha ha