Pickman's model
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montevideo
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Pickman's model said:
i'd like to think in 20 years time the infamous "coronet riots" will be remembered with affection & amusement & either a little nostaglia or a little embarrassment, depending on the state of the country.
The radical liberals will of course claim it as there's or deny ever being there, depending in what government department they are working in.
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my basic point was right, I think (though I'll await the good General coming back with his views, maybe he can convince me otherwise). As I neither know nor care what happened in the pub I shouldn't have mentioned it.
But Monte is right, the pub anecdote will be told and retold, with varying degrees of fidelity by those who were there or not, for years to come.
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Yeah rightPickmans Model said:
i mean why is this rather pathetic (and obcene) parallel still being drawn out?
Course, such a comparison has to be done in abstraction coz it falls to pieces otherwise... comparing the two because the effects (inconvenience, irritation) were similar while avoiding a similar comparison between the causes, the social nature - like whether one group had real choices and the other group not having any.
So what was the 'cause' that motivated them to this political [sic] act? Poor dears... were they being oppressed by that nasty pub chain and their fascist [sic] music policy? Do they stand for some much wider community desperate for music while they order their thursday night curry club meal in wetherspoons? i think not. They could have exercised their 'consumer power' and fucked off to spend their money elsewhere at some other pub. I dont think Rosa Parks had many other transportation options
But maybe im wrong... lets see if they and their mates can mount a similar 380 day boycott of wetherspoons, like the black population of montgomery did to their bus company. I wont be holding my breath
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ffs!Top Dog said:Yeah right
can't you see when i'm taking the piss?
Taxamo Welf
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ayemontevideo said:
why wouldn't there be an antifa next year montey?
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Top Dog said:cant you see i was agreeing with you... and backing you up
... for once!
has the like ever been known?!
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Top Dog said:enjoy it while it lasts. By 2.45 on saturday it will all be different
the famous arsenal victory will come between us!
montevideo
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Taxamo Welf said:aye
why wouldn't there be an antifa next year montey?
don't know. Lack of political evolvement? You can only be a street gang, & just a street gang, for so long. Website's looking good though!
http://www.antifa.org.uk
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that'd do.Top Dog said:
Taxamo Welf
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Blimey, do you have to attack everything once your online? Montey, as one person who has never had a go at you before - WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?! Were AFA a street-gang? Look its taking action against fascism, nothing more, you know that. Why are you attacking it?montevideo said:
I thought you were just going to say it hasn't done owt for 6 months which would be more or less correct, but no, now your burning the one bridge the wombles had to another org in the movement too.
Bemused
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twTaxamo Welf said:Blimey, do you have to attack everything once your online? Montey, as one person who has never had a go at you before - WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?! Were AFA a street-gang? Look its taking action against fascism, nothing more, you know that. Why are you attacking it?
I thought you were just going to say it hasn't done owt for 6 months which would be more or less correct, but no, now your burning the one bridge the wombles had to another org in the movement too.
Bemused
there are a number of links between "the @ movement" and orgs therein, and the wombles. i don't think that those links have been severed in the last 72 hours.
Taxamo Welf
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oh i've just seen the antifa website and its very 'anarchist' a la germany. Lots of black and smashy writing. Great, sure antifa don't need anyone else involved than it has already.
Anarchists in the uk: somewhere around 1000
BNP alone: 4000 members.
Anarchists in the uk: somewhere around 1000
BNP alone: 4000 members.
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Taxamo Welf
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sorry, maybe i'm wrong - what links with other groups were there apart from antifa?Pickman's model said:
montevideo
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Taxamo Welf said:Blimey, do you have to attack everything once your online? Montey, as one person who has never had a go at you before - WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?! Were AFA a street-gang? Look its taking action against fascism, nothing more, you know that. Why are you attacking it?
I thought you were just going to say it hasn't done owt for 6 months which would be more or less correct, but no, now your burning the one bridge the wombles had to another org in the movement too.
Bemused
wasn't an attack. Far from it. Nothing wrong with being a street gang if that's what the people involved in antifa want it to be. (Limits your activity but at least you know what you're doing & why). But from having meetings of several to very few suggests some sort of evolvement is necessary no? I'd like to see antifa grow as a group, both numerically & politically, i hope others share that same aspiration.
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i mean its a bit of a narrow audience for what is a big campaign. Don't you think?Pickman's model said:
PS thre is no link to the wombles from the antifa site, they probably want that looking at.
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you know that the wombles aren't - contrary to apparent popular opinion - social outcasts, and that people from all manner of @ orgs and none know them socially. to my mind, these social links are at least as important as formal links between one group and another.Taxamo Welf said:
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that's a detail which will doubtless be sorted out soon - i'm sure that whoever updates the website will address that omission.Taxamo Welf said:
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yes we both kno i know that - i like the wombles greatly. Socially aside though, what are the links? I am reacting, badly perhaps i admit, to what i see as montey criticising antifa out of hand.Pickman's model said:
I don't want to fall out with him in any way. You know that.
I do however disagree that 1) anti fascism has to be explicitly anti-capitalist 2) Outsiders to the @ movement should be trated badly and it should try to be an @ only project.
I am not basing this entirely on this thread and for that reason... I will follow these discussions up elsewhere
Lets not derail any more.
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suggestions for next years bookfair?
- a 2 day event
-- with theoretical conference on one day
-- and practical conference on another day
- an even bigger space
- a big rave in argos afterwards
- a 2 day event
-- with theoretical conference on one day
-- and practical conference on another day
- an even bigger space
- a big rave in argos afterwards
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