charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
What would YOU know about it, shitfor brains?montevideo said:
the all new 2005 who's taking a trip to holloway thread
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montevideo
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charlie mowbray said:
you're a bit pacy for an old man...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
charlie mowbray said:
charlie mowbray said:
it does get dull when someone calling for more interest on the thread turns coat.
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
I'm not old, by sanyone's standards.
Was being called old by you meant to be an insult?
Pathetic.
Come back when you've got rid of the bumfluff.
Was being called old by you meant to be an insult?
Pathetic.
Come back when you've got rid of the bumfluff.
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
From YOU????Pickman's model said:
montevideo said:
That's Yorshire folk for you, that anxiety provoking period when they might have to get a round in before last orders must have passed off without incident.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what do you want, roses?charlie mowbray said:
"Making a lot of noise and disturbing others in the pub without caring whether they want to listen to your noise is not a particularly political act, nor is it unusual. It's fairly typical lout behaviour and it's a nuisance. That's the tradition that you were acting in - fuck everybody else, I want to listen to my music. Not something to be proud of."
as ive said before just like rts or a squat party
all direct action is going to have an effect on some people, and some people dont like it
whilst this wasnt the most revolutionary action in the world it was a bit of a giggle, nothing more - the music was not loud
and if the worst you can throw at it is that people were disturbed by the music, well thats pretty weak aint it
maybe we should give up direct action all together - dont want to disturb anyone after all
as ive said before just like rts or a squat party
all direct action is going to have an effect on some people, and some people dont like it
whilst this wasnt the most revolutionary action in the world it was a bit of a giggle, nothing more - the music was not loud
and if the worst you can throw at it is that people were disturbed by the music, well thats pretty weak aint it
maybe we should give up direct action all together - dont want to disturb anyone after all
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i wasn't disturbed by what passed for music in the pub. it was the simple fact that a few people thought that it was a great plot to set up a system in a pub without any care or consideration for the fucking consequences. the bookfair's a time when people see other anarchists they often haven't seen for up to a year. people like having a chat after the bookfair - and to hijack that for a stupid piece of fuckwittery which even the owner of the system told me he'd said was a foolish idea is beyond fucking belief.smokedout said:
i agree that the police response was equally fuckwitted, but there would have been no fucking cops outside or inside the fucking coronet had you and yr mates not thought that yr 'fun' counted more than the hundreds of other people in the place. it was the sort of wanky elitist action i thought most anarchists, 'lifestylists' or whatnot, were against.
if you are going to have an rts do or squat party, don't you normally consult a bit beforehand to get more people into the idea?
it was among the most stupid and wanky things i have seen in many years in the anarchist movement.
post-bookfair; anarcho-muppetry and massive police over-reaction. 'twas
a pity because people got arrested and walloped needlessly, but also selfishly I would have liked to spend more time chatting with people over a couple of pints (I liked Weatherspoons - no music, smoke free area, I am such an old man). (instead I ended up in a dodgy english pub and a dodgy irish pub, both of which had their own charms).
actual bookfair;
That's the main problem with the bookfair for me, I kept meeting people for five minutes, saying I'll talk to you later, and never bumping into them again. The venue was crowded and noisy and I found it all a bit hectic. The meetings are too short to be satisfying. I went to the one on the Anarchist Assembly, and had to leave before it ended, so I don't know if anything was resolved. I found it a bit frustrating.
The WSM meeting was pretty small, we've never done one before because we reckoned that there Anarchism in Ireland is a bit of a esoteric subject at an English bookfair, and I think we were probably right in that. We sold enough papers to make it worthwhile, and managed to drop some of them into Housemans and Freedom (for those of you who missed it).
(that's my 2 cents, over to the rest of you)
I think a similar event, with more emphasis on meetings, and a social occasion for everyone at the end would be just lovely, but I didn't get the impression that any group or collection of individuals had the motivation or the energy to put one together.
a pity because people got arrested and walloped needlessly, but also selfishly I would have liked to spend more time chatting with people over a couple of pints (I liked Weatherspoons - no music, smoke free area, I am such an old man). (instead I ended up in a dodgy english pub and a dodgy irish pub, both of which had their own charms).
actual bookfair;
That's the main problem with the bookfair for me, I kept meeting people for five minutes, saying I'll talk to you later, and never bumping into them again. The venue was crowded and noisy and I found it all a bit hectic. The meetings are too short to be satisfying. I went to the one on the Anarchist Assembly, and had to leave before it ended, so I don't know if anything was resolved. I found it a bit frustrating.
The WSM meeting was pretty small, we've never done one before because we reckoned that there Anarchism in Ireland is a bit of a esoteric subject at an English bookfair, and I think we were probably right in that. We sold enough papers to make it worthwhile, and managed to drop some of them into Housemans and Freedom (for those of you who missed it).
(that's my 2 cents, over to the rest of you)
I think a similar event, with more emphasis on meetings, and a social occasion for everyone at the end would be just lovely, but I didn't get the impression that any group or collection of individuals had the motivation or the energy to put one together.
well its worth a try
although ive got to say, i fucking hate weatherspoons and their authoritarian, boring and aggresive approach to doing business, and if a weatherspoons was shut down for the night then tough shit
and like ive said if it had happened in mcd's or starbucks then im fairly confident that thered be a completely different reaction on these boards
if it was misjudged it was misjudged - im not here to judge
but the fact is that i dont feel the people who did it can be blamed for what was a complete overeaction on behalf of the pub management and the cops
and it seems ironic
turning on a stereo in the pub and disturbing poeple - bad
chucking bottles and putting through cop car windows fine
and i aint judging the folk who did that either, just pointing out the disparity
so it kicked off at the bookfair, for whatever reason, what are we in this for, the bottem line is that a little bit of low grade naughtiness ended in a situation that might have happened anyway
and in asituation in which people were free to leave at any time, just like the cops could have ended this without incident had they chosen to so could we, but people chose to have a confrontation - which again im not judging, but you really cant blame a few people with a stereo for what happened
although ive got to say, i fucking hate weatherspoons and their authoritarian, boring and aggresive approach to doing business, and if a weatherspoons was shut down for the night then tough shit
and like ive said if it had happened in mcd's or starbucks then im fairly confident that thered be a completely different reaction on these boards
if it was misjudged it was misjudged - im not here to judge
but the fact is that i dont feel the people who did it can be blamed for what was a complete overeaction on behalf of the pub management and the cops
and it seems ironic
turning on a stereo in the pub and disturbing poeple - bad
chucking bottles and putting through cop car windows fine
and i aint judging the folk who did that either, just pointing out the disparity
so it kicked off at the bookfair, for whatever reason, what are we in this for, the bottem line is that a little bit of low grade naughtiness ended in a situation that might have happened anyway
and in asituation in which people were free to leave at any time, just like the cops could have ended this without incident had they chosen to so could we, but people chose to have a confrontation - which again im not judging, but you really cant blame a few people with a stereo for what happened
montevideo
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sovietpop said:
not a bad idea. The redoubtable rednblack was suggesting the same kind of thing (i think, maybe i just misheard); making it a weekend event, the sunday concentrating on more practical, hands on kind of meetings/discussions. Factoring in the hangover element i don't think it's a half bad idea.
There's always a group of individuals who have the motivation or energy, whether they'll get any suppport from the rest of "the movement" is a different matter.
montevideo said:
yep - a bit like the freedom to protest conference that was held on sunday (at the same venue) only broader in scope maybe...or not...maybe concentrating on a particular issue or set of issues would be better
it can't be up to the bookfair organisers to do it though, they have enough on their plate
"Can blame them for bringing the OB down upon us though. "
the cops were in the pub way before any kind of soundsystem action started, both undercover and uniform at times
soundsystem turns on - locals in the pub pissed off so soundsystem turns off and leaves (although i know for a fact the folk with the system did not just disappear and let everyone else take the heat)
two cops turn up, people kick off at them, then 20 cops turn up, people kick off even more, then tsg turn up and it all gets out of hand
yes people got nicked, but anyone who chose to was free to leave at any time, there was no police cordon until much later
and whilst i dont have a problem with people getting getting aggro with the cops they are responsible for their own actions, as are the police, and if you shout scream and chuck bottles at the cops yer gonna get nicked
the cops were in the pub way before any kind of soundsystem action started, both undercover and uniform at times
soundsystem turns on - locals in the pub pissed off so soundsystem turns off and leaves (although i know for a fact the folk with the system did not just disappear and let everyone else take the heat)
two cops turn up, people kick off at them, then 20 cops turn up, people kick off even more, then tsg turn up and it all gets out of hand
yes people got nicked, but anyone who chose to was free to leave at any time, there was no police cordon until much later
and whilst i dont have a problem with people getting getting aggro with the cops they are responsible for their own actions, as are the police, and if you shout scream and chuck bottles at the cops yer gonna get nicked
Top Dog
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thats not a bad idea... but bearing in mind that many groups already utilise the sunday to take advantage of having lots of people all together in london.rednblack said:
sovietpop is right about the meeting length problem. Nothing can be accomplished in under an hour... these sort of meetings can be no more than showcase style events.
Keeping the venue booked on a sunday we'd be able to accomodate several longer and larger meetings (issue/theme based) that are discussed more widely before they are put on? There could be some kind of opening or closing plenary where we get everyone together... now that would liven things up a bit
Top Dog said:Keeping the venue booked on a sunday we'd be able to accomodate several longer and larger meetings (issue/theme based) that are discussed more widely before they are put on? There could be some kind of opening or closing plenary where we get everyone together... now that would liven things up a bit
given the quite considerable 'hangover' effect, I think a totally separate weekend would be a better bet ... maybe mid november so you could use the bookfair itself to drum up a bit of enegry about it (Monty, I'm a great believer in 'if you build it, they will come' ).
but yes, meetings on particular issues, plenary sessions with everyone, and a feed of pints to round things off.
Bookfair:
I only got to a couple of sessions, the Anarchist Assembly and the one on technologies of control. The assembly sounded good in theory but in practice was never really going to get much done - one hour (less, given delay in start) given the numbers and groups represented couldn't be much more than it was, a bit of a chat and some feedback. The technologies one was pretty informative although seemed to be much more a talk than a discussion.
Meeting up with people was pretty cool and seeing the different groups represented was nice, tho WTF Shayler was doing there is anyone's guess.
Post-bookfair:
people with stereo - twats
cops - scum
*shrug*
- Jonathan
I only got to a couple of sessions, the Anarchist Assembly and the one on technologies of control. The assembly sounded good in theory but in practice was never really going to get much done - one hour (less, given delay in start) given the numbers and groups represented couldn't be much more than it was, a bit of a chat and some feedback. The technologies one was pretty informative although seemed to be much more a talk than a discussion.
Meeting up with people was pretty cool and seeing the different groups represented was nice, tho WTF Shayler was doing there is anyone's guess.
Post-bookfair:
people with stereo - twats
cops - scum
*shrug*
- Jonathan
Are you familiar with the saying "Don't shit on your own doorstep"?smokedout said:
The worst to throw at it? Well, how about "post-bookfair activities completely f#d up", or "wasting the evening of people hoping to meet people in the wetherspoon", or "whoops, there goes the venue for next year", or "oh look, people got arrested because of this", or?
sheesh.
jd wetherspoons aint my doorstep mate
"wasting the evening of people hoping to meet people in the wetherspoon",
so people were inconvenienced as well as disturbed - shock horror, it aint like holloway roads short of pubs
"whoops, there goes the venue for next year",
it aint the first time its kicked off at the bookfair and probably wont be the last, theres no shortage of venues
"oh look, people got arrested because of this",
as ive said no-one got arrested because of what happened in the pub
reading on here and indymedia this whole things been misrepresented, whilst some people in the pub were pissed off, some thought it was funny (including several staff, one of whom was dancing at one point
wetherspoons could quite happily of let the music keep playing, it werent loud (all the talk of them not having a music licence is bollocks - theres no such thing) or they could have just accepted it for what it was and let people leave peacefully
when the soundsystem left there was absolutely no issue with the cops (both of them) who looked like they were about to leave until people kicked off
"wasting the evening of people hoping to meet people in the wetherspoon",
so people were inconvenienced as well as disturbed - shock horror, it aint like holloway roads short of pubs
"whoops, there goes the venue for next year",
it aint the first time its kicked off at the bookfair and probably wont be the last, theres no shortage of venues
"oh look, people got arrested because of this",
as ive said no-one got arrested because of what happened in the pub
reading on here and indymedia this whole things been misrepresented, whilst some people in the pub were pissed off, some thought it was funny (including several staff, one of whom was dancing at one point
wetherspoons could quite happily of let the music keep playing, it werent loud (all the talk of them not having a music licence is bollocks - theres no such thing) or they could have just accepted it for what it was and let people leave peacefully
when the soundsystem left there was absolutely no issue with the cops (both of them) who looked like they were about to leave until people kicked off
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