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Tell me about BrixtonGreen - a "community led development" on Somerleyton Road

Number of housing units has increased a lot. Is this to high density for a narrow strip of land?

Also the diagram is vague on affordable housing.

Some of us at the consultations were calling for 50% affordable at "target rent" with secure tenancies rather than the new "affordable" category with time limited tenancies. The new affordable category ( as being used at Brixton Square) will not be affordable to a lot of people.

So just saying that community priority is for affordable housing leaves to much leeway for the Council.

And yes I will say it again this is a Council led development. It is not being done by Brixton Green. They are being consulted on it as representing the community on the Core Strategy Group.

The Core Strategy Group is Ovalhouse, Brixton Green and the Council.

Core Strategy Group meet regularly. These meetings are not open to other local groups. Nor is detail of what is discussed. I did manage to get Council to start putting out summaries of what is discussed. But not detail.

I think a lot of the most important discussions go on in Core Strategy Group. Some local residents groups/ residents are consulted every now and then. But they are not key decision makers. In end what happens is Council decision. Its Council led project on there land. They have final say.
 
What several people have told me is that anyone criticising Brixton Green is immediately reminded that they have a 1,000 members - except as far as I know those people aren't regularly consulted or canvassed for their opinions. In fact, I know a couple of people who have membership who had almost forgotten about it.

They have said that to me.

I also now a couple of people who are members who had forgotten about it.

Size is not always a good idea. As I said at consultation Coops work better when they are smaller.

The bigger they are the more difficult to consult the membership.
 
A year later and I'm still none the wiser to Brixton Green's long term plans.

At the last meeting of the Future Brixton consultation about Somerleyton Road they seemed to be manoeuvring themselves into some commercial, long term 'stewardship' role for whatever gets built there. But how does such an operation fit in with their 'Brixton People Know What Brixton Want' stuff?

There will not be a Community Land Trust called Brixton Green on the site. The Council are taking the lead on the development of the site. At moment the Council are thinking of keeping the freehold of site. Giving out long leases. To for example Ovalhouse. In this way the Council will retain some control long term on the site. Which in my opinion is a good thing.

Ovalhouse have clearly stated that they will not be part of any long term stewardship organisation on the site. They are a charity in there own right. They are responsible to there own charity. So cannot complicate matters by belonging to any other "stewardship" group.

The issue of long term stewardship came up at last Social Life event I attended. I did not have time to look into it further. As the Council are trying to evict me and the community I belong to off the site.

A stewardship organisation would not own the site but would be a kind of management organisation. So that will be up to Council to set the parameters of its powers and responsibilities.

There needs to be a full consultation and discussion of any stewardship of the site. Not just a few Social Life events. Also those who do not belong to BG but belong to other local groups need to be fully consulted on the idea. At moment I do not see that happening.
 
Just to say the scheme from BG is diagrammmatic, and the public space to ensure visibility for the mural seems to be represented by a bit of an indent obscured by what i think is a tree graphic - the actual plans most certainly include the public space in front of the mural, and the paper being drafted by the LBL project team, and supported by OH (and BG) has stated provision for the retention and refurbishment for the mural.

I have not seen the latest report drafted by Social Life after the deliberative workshops or the feedback given at the tent-event, but I think the intention is to share those findings with the group who were part of the Stakeholder sessions at the beginning of the year.

I have not seen a scheme, either, which shows the actual location of a proposed chef school - again the paper being prepared includes CM as artists workspaces and creative enterprises.

Our vision for OH has been developed to include flexible use space available to rent for community meetings, community training events, small scale conferences etc - all in fully accessible facilities.
 
I have not seen the latest report drafted by Social Life after the deliberative workshops or the feedback given at the tent-event, but I think the intention is to share those findings with the group who were part of the Stakeholder sessions at the beginning of the year.

I have not seen a scheme, either, which shows the actual location of a proposed chef school - again the paper being prepared includes CM as artists workspaces and creative enterprises.

Our vision for OH has been developed to include flexible use space available to rent for community meetings, community training events, small scale conferences etc - all in fully accessible facilities.

BG keep going on about the Chefs school.

Its not clear at all who is saying what without a long close look at it. For the average person googling about the project its confusing.

It is , understandingly , confusing for people when different diagrams are floating around. People can mistake a BG diagram as representing the Core Groups view. Likewise people can confuse a Future Brixton Lambeth Council diagram with the Brixton Green project.

I have a problem with a Core Group getting all the details and then it being "shared" with the rest of us. I do not know what is left out.

This is not the Cooperative way of doing things.

Looking again at this has wound me up again.

The Somerleyton Road Project will be one of the first to come forward as part of Future Brixton and will be developed in partnership with the local community.

Except that the community who live on the site are being evicted.

To make it clear this is not only due to alleged fire risk. In Devonshires summary of there case against Carlton Mansions it says among other reasons that the case for making a possession order is that:

"The building is part of land in a regeneration scheme"

It is not explained what the "regeneration scheme" is. Only that they want to evict the Carlton Mansions "occupiers". This is how long term residents of Brixton are called by Lambeth--Occupiers:mad:

In the court papers I have yet to find any acknowledgement that Carlton Mansions "occupiers" took part in consultations on the site. "Occupiers" who gave up there free time to make the effort to have a constructive engagement with the scheme.

Devonshires are acting for Lambeth. So this is Lambeths view. Lambeth is the client of Devonshires. Devonshires take instructions off them.
 
Good points. And Brixton Green really should explain themselves openly and properly because several people have said to me that this chef's school really looks like croneyism.
 
Good points. And Brixton Green really should explain themselves openly and properly because several people have said to me that this chef's school really looks like croneyism.

And that's the very reason they won't explain themselves - because the very model of "social enterprises" is based on what is effectively cronyism - on networks and the networking of a particular stratum of local authority bureaucrat, and looking for likely prospects.
Sure, there's the whole mutual schtick, but as has been said elsewhere, mutualisation of the social enterprise's local structure doesn't give local people, members of the mutual or not, any sway over how the social enterprise acts, or how it might benefit (and we're not talking cash here, we're talking social and political capital) people like Brad.
 
New to U75 but been following Brixton Green with suspicion for a while.

I went to one of the workshops run by Social Life and had a conversation with Brad about the possibility of the site being used for council housing/not sold off, in which he refused to say what the report they are preparing will say about this (it's meant to reflect what was said in the series of workshops , but no one who participated in them will see it until it is published on 12 June, despite the fact that he's been liaising with the council about it - so much for reflecting "the community's views").

I'm finding it difficult not to see Brixton Green as a cover for the council to the sell off of an increasingly valuable piece of land in which at least some of the people involved in BG are likely to benefit, and which is going to make it significantly more difficult to get housing which is actually affordable to people in Coldharbour ward in the long-term (think Barratt/Brixton Square all over again).

Has anyone been calling their bluff on this? Would be up for getting stuck in...
 
New to U75 but been following Brixton Green with suspicion for a while.

I went to one of the workshops run by Social Life and had a conversation with Brad about the possibility of the site being used for council housing/not sold off, in which he refused to say what the report they are preparing will say about this (it's meant to reflect what was said in the series of workshops , but no one who participated in them will see it until it is published on 12 June, despite the fact that he's been liaising with the council about it - so much for reflecting "the community's views").

I'm finding it difficult not to see Brixton Green as a cover for the council to the sell off of an increasingly valuable piece of land in which at least some of the people involved in BG are likely to benefit, and which is going to make it significantly more difficult to get housing which is actually affordable to people in Coldharbour ward in the long-term (think Barratt/Brixton Square all over again).

Has anyone been calling their bluff on this? Would be up for getting stuck in...
You could try writing to them here - http://www.brixtongreen.org/contact/ - and inviting them to answer your entirely reasonable points in this forum.

You would think that an organisation claiming to represent the wishes of the people of Brixton would fall over themselves to take advantage of such a hugely popular local website.

After all, they can reach far more people here than at a workshop and I would have thought it would be the perfect place for them to go into detail about their plans and engage with the community.

Sadly, Brad tends to run away whenever locals ask him questions he doesn't want to answer, and that makes me very suspicious indeed.
 
Loads more people use that green space now - it's needed even more now that Brixton Square is opening up.
 
New to U75 but been following Brixton Green with suspicion for a while.

I went to one of the workshops run by Social Life and had a conversation with Brad about the possibility of the site being used for council housing/not sold off, in which he refused to say what the report they are preparing will say about this (it's meant to reflect what was said in the series of workshops , but no one who participated in them will see it until it is published on 12 June, despite the fact that he's been liaising with the council about it - so much for reflecting "the community's views").

I'm finding it difficult not to see Brixton Green as a cover for the council to the sell off of an increasingly valuable piece of land in which at least some of the people involved in BG are likely to benefit, and which is going to make it significantly more difficult to get housing which is actually affordable to people in Coldharbour ward in the long-term (think Barratt/Brixton Square all over again).

Has anyone been calling their bluff on this? Would be up for getting stuck in...

note: I have ended up doing a long post. I have trawled my way all the plethora of webpages on different sites to try and make an understandable summary of the thinking on the scheme so far on affordable housing. It all needs to be commented on. People can comment here and here and here. Also here apparently. Though not sure about that one. Sorry about multiple comments - I think it would be easier with just one specific one for the scheme. I have also put social life Urban notification at bottom of this post. If you do that they will look at it (hopefully). If Saffron is there can u confirm?

I went to the first Social Life workshop on Housing and Communal space. I unfortunately missed the second one I was preoccupied with the Council trying to evict me from the site. I went to the last one which was more about the site in general.

My take on first workshop.

We were told by Social Life to "park" whatever organisation we might belong to and say our own opinions. Which I thought was a good idea.

People there voiced a lot of concerns about affordability. Many were concerned the recent housing "reforms" were leading to a situation where supposedly affordable housing was not in fact affordable. Also under the new "affordable" regime of housing people may not get secure long term tenancies. The secure tenancies that Lambeth Council tenants have at the moment. So concerns were raised about that as well.

Several of us expressed opinion that there should be at least 50% affordable housing. Preferably Council housing with secure tenancies at "Target rent" . Not an unreasonable suggestion imo on a site that the Council own.

I missed the second workshop for above stated reason.

I have had a look at the somewhat confusing set out of info about the scheme and found this on BG website. Its a detailed summary of different options.

The average income in Council housing is, I have been told by Council tenants rep, £13 000. The averages in the above piece are 10% but I assume that is on basis of whole renters in Lambeth not only existing Council tenants.

Here on the Council website for Somerleyton road is the Council view at the moment. (I think. I do find it difficult to navigate through 3 different websites for one scheme- Social Life, BG and Council). Here below is initial Council position on affordable housing on the site:




The aspiration is to have this as a policy compliant scheme for affordable housing and therefore we are aiming for 60 per cent private and 40 per cent affordable.
The affordable housing will be in line with the Council’s policy i.e. 65 per cent blended rate of market value (incl. service charge). This means one and two bed homes would be up to 80 per cent of market rent and larger family sized homes would be at social rent. We will run a financial appraisal to see whether the scheme can afford to provide more units at target rent.

also:


5) Ownership and management of affordable housing
Recent reforms allow the Council to borrow money to fund new council housing. Therefore, we will see whether it is feasible to retain the new affordable homes as council homes. If it is not feasible then either the new affordable homes will be managed by a Housing Association or by some alternative model yet to be discussed and agreed.



The Council "affordable" policy is one that some of opposed when Barratts applied to alter the affordable housing on the Brixton Square scheme.

At the planning committee meeting officers gave estimates of income required. Will see if I can find it. As , particularly for smaller households, it will not be really affordable.

So the answer to your question to Brad? According to the BG website there view is this:

Maximize the number of new genuinely affordable homes …including looking at options like self-build to bring down costs.

The Social Life workshops report will feed into the discussions of the Core Group ( Ovalhouse, BG as community group and Council).

I am not clear at all how the affordable element of the scheme will be decided or who will decide it.

In the end it will be the Council as they are leading the project. However I am not clear how much they will take on board peoples comments.

My other worry is what happened at Elephant and Castle. After much consultation and promises the scheme affordable element has been watered down. The sorry tale can be seen here. Councils do not have good track record in standing up to developers.

The Council say it will get a "partner" (probably a developer) to actually build the scheme. They will take the risk. They will get to sell the private housing on the site.

A Problem I see is that as at Brixton Square and Elephant & Castle a developer may use a "viability" report to argue at a late stage they cannot do the scheme as promised.

So there is a whole host of issues here. That need to be discussed. I am afraid there will not be time for some of them.

I am not sure though. Here is thinking from Council view of progression of the scheme:



The outline scheme will provide guidance as to what we would like to see happen on Somerleyton Road. It might specify building heights, numbers of new homes, the amount of open space as well as the location and use of particular buildings i.e. a new arts and cultural facility on the northern end of Somerleyton Road. The outline scheme will be signed off by the Council’s Cabinet, hopefully in July, and they will need assurances that what is being proposed is financially viable and deliverable. We will continue discussions with local people over the coming months to test the community’s ambitions presented here and to agree what is possible. We will let potential developers know what we want to see happen on Somerleyton Road as part of an ‘invitation to tender’, which is likely to be in the Autumn 2013. The scheme put forward by the successful bidder will need to get planning permission, which will mean further engagement and consultation with local people in advance of it going to the Planning Applications Committee. It is unlikely that any work will start on Somerleyton Road until 2015.

Outline scheme may not define affordable element in detail. Though I am not sure. As if outline scheme gives number of homes then it might.

It does say there will be further consultations. The questions are. Who will be consulted? Who will get detailed info outside of the "Core Group". How will consultation be feed into the scheme? Who will do the actual consultation? BG, Council or Social Life?

I cannot see how this all can be discussed in the timescale given.

Also as the scheme progresses there needs to be more info given to everyone of how it is going. So , as part of Coop Council, people can keep an eye on issues like affordable housing and comment/ lobby Cllrs etc.

Saffron
 
There is an odd aspect to the forthcoming Brixton Green AGM:
Anyone who has bought a £1 share (as I did when Brad twisted my arm at the 7 Bridges Festival two years ago) will have received an email and link to a proxy voting form with the following curious option 3:
3. Audit Exemption
We are requesting an audit exemption for both sets of accounts as the income is less than £90,000. Industrial provident societies are allowed to opt out of an audit if their turnover is below £90,000 and their members agree. The audit would cost approx £2,000 and is deemed as unnecessary by the FSA. Please click here for further details.

I agree that Brixton Green can be exempt from an external audit.
Yes [tickbox] No [tickbox]

I would like to know what the FSA - abolished on 31st March 2013 - has got to do with Brixton Green.

The FSA's successor body - The FCA (Financial Conduct Authority) claims to be responsible for regulating Industrial and Provident Societies (which is what Brixton Green is supposed to be - along with Co-ops, Credit Unions and other similar bodies).

When I was involved in local charity finance (some years ago) the understanding was that the Charity Commission did not require a formal audit from a charity with a turnover of less than £10,000 p.a.

I have perused the FCA website but find no reference to an audit being unnecessary.

P.S. Brad is the guest speaker at the Brixton Society AGM Thursday 13th June (Vida Walsh Centre, 2b Saltoun Road - facing Windrush Square).
I wonder if he can be asked to comment on the Carlton Mansions situation?
 
we used to get someone independent of the committee with a relevant background to audit / sign off the accounts for us, never cost us a penny, but maybe that was because we were a well respected community group that people in that community actually appreciated.

That statement looks pretty dodgy to me in the absence of any sort of independent sign off of the accounts.
 
FSA is needed as it's a share issue organisation - an I&P.

And that affects the type of financial review the accounts need - the levels of scrutiny of an 'audit' - carried out by someone with a relevant level of financial qualification, is wildly different to an 'Independent Examination' of accounts (which can be carried out by literally anyone independent of you that you can drag off the street as long as they're willing to put their name to something).

I guess very little activity has taken place with the BG shares (other than selling them, and I assume, some people giving them back / dying) they're suggesting that the audit is overly onerous / expensive and disproportionate at this stage.

Anyone know whether their income and expenditure statements are available? If there's no audit, you'd expect the I&E to be done in line with SORP/SOFA as they're acting as a voluntary organisation.

If they have any funders, they'll expect a certain level of financial transparency and scrutiny too.
 
If only Brixton Green would come back here and explain it all. Perhaps we're the wrong sort of 'Brixton People.'
 
I don't blame them not coming on here. Any good points being raised on the boards, and indeed answers, are lost in an ocean of personal insults and trivial nit picking. U75 opinions has been probably identified as a battle that will never be won but also one which probably does not matter much in the grand scheme of things. So why bother?
 
I don't blame them not coming on here. Any good points being raised on the boards, and indeed answers, are lost in an ocean of personal insults and trivial nit picking. U75 opinions has been probably identified as a battle that will never be won but also one which probably does not matter much in the grand scheme of things. So why bother?
I thought some very pertinent questions were being asked last time they were posting here. If you're going to go around claiming to represent what the community 'want,' then disagreements can only be expected.

I imagine most of the 'nit picking' came from sheer frustration at the evasiveness of Brad. Some of their decisions may impact directly on the lives of people who live (and post) here, so they've every right to ask robust questions about the organisation purporting to represent their reviews.

I've been to meetings with them, I've read their blurb and I STILL don't know what they're about and getting a direct answer to a direct question remains near impossible. And that is very frustrating indeed. I don't like being fed bullshit either, like when he claimed that he'd approached the Southwyck House Resident's Association in the past. He hadn't.
 
I thought some very pertinent questions were being asked last time they were posting here. If you're going to go around claiming to represent what the community 'want,' then disagreements can only be expected.

I imagine most of the 'nit picking' came from sheer frustration at the evasiveness of Brad. Some of their decisions may impact directly on the lives of people who live (and post) here, so they've every right to ask robust questions about the organisation purporting to represent their reviews.

I've been to meetings with them, I've read their blurb and I STILL don't know what they're about and getting a direct answer to a direct question remains near impossible. And that is very frustrating indeed. I don't like being fed bullshit either, like when he claimed that he'd approached the Southwyck House Resident's Association in the past. He hadn't.


Yes. I said that. But they were lost in the shit which there was a lot of, much of it personal and which went way beyond simple disagreement. It's an open board and people can say what they like but people will only post here if they think there is something in it for them and are comfortable with the terms of engagement. I can't see that there was anything in it for BG so I, whatever their motivations, I totally understand their deciding they were on a hiding to nothing and deciding not to waste their energy.
 
Yes. I said that. But they were lost in the shit which there was a lot of, much of it personal and which went way beyond simple disagreement. It's an open board and people can say what they like but people will only post here if they think there is something in it for them and are comfortable with the terms of engagement. I can't see that there was anything in it for BG so I, whatever their motivations, I totally understand their deciding they were on a hiding to nothing and deciding not to waste their energy.
I'd say you're getting it the wrong way round and blaming the wrong people. It only got personal because trying to deal with BG proved a thoroughly exasperating and frustrating experience.

I know a lot of people who remain very suspicious of what they're up to, and the onus should be on them to willingly and openly explain their policies, rather than driving posters up the wall with endless obfuscation and evasive answers.

In the end we were asked to continue all discussion on their own site, which doesn't have any sort of bulletin board or means to conduct a debate. Yeah, that's going to work.
 
Then there's perhaps a need for a 'Community Development' board on here then? Something with slightly more 'refined' rules on behaviour? I like that this place can turn into the occasional popcorn bunfight (e.g. the ongoing hipster debate of yesterday), but unless you are a bit more internet exposed, that's going to be off putting.

Contrary to that BG should offer those methods of engagement themselves, but are also probably aware that if they host it, there's moderation duties to perform to maintain a certain amount of traffic (there's nothing worse than a community engagement site where the last post is 12 months ago) and to prevent it going off BG message. They haven't got the cash to manage that.
 
Then there's perhaps a need for a 'Community Development' board on here then? Something with slightly more 'refined' rules on behaviour? I like that this place can turn into the occasional popcorn bunfight (e.g. the ongoing hipster debate of yesterday), but unless you are a bit more internet exposed, that's going to be off putting.

Contrary to that BG should offer those methods of engagement themselves, but are also probably aware that if they host it, there's moderation duties to perform to maintain a certain amount of traffic (there's nothing worse than a community engagement site where the last post is 12 months ago) and to prevent it going off BG message. They haven't got the cash to manage that.

I actually offered them a sub forum along those lines here ages ago, Brad said it was a great idea but then I never heard back.
 
Ah but it shouldn't just be BG who have the benefit of access to it - there's a need for a wider online consultation tool for Voluntary Organisations... little groups struggle to engage in broader ranges of people and vBulletin or microco.sm can be used to address that.
 
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