miss direct
misfungled
I know the a one but whats the b one?
Teacher training: Teach First?
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Shippou-Sensei
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I think having a PGCE will pay off more in the long run. It's what people will ask about and not having one will limit opportunities and wage brackets .
Teach first may get you into the classroom sooner but what do they guarantee by the end? I can easily see people being shunted into a TA position .
Also what is the route from that to QTS?
Teach first may get you into the classroom sooner but what do they guarantee by the end? I can easily see people being shunted into a TA position .
Also what is the route from that to QTS?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
AfL in particular is widely misused. Testing is not 'for learning' at all. There is such a thing as formative assessment but standardised testing is very definitely not it.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
Ha! God I remember the whole ptlls/ctlls/dtlls thing.
maomao
普費斯
Behaviour for learning. You didn't 'shoosh' them, you 'made use of BfL techniques'
the qualifications from teach first are "NQS" (newly qualified status) at the end of the 1st year, " Postgraduate Diploma in Education (PGDE), worth double the credits of a PGCE" at end of 2 years with the option of a Masters in the 3rd year. Have I been fooled by the terminology again? It made it sound like that was a higher qualification than a PGCE....
thank you for saying that... I really need a bit of encouragement at the moment tbh, it is a bit harsh being told that the only good job news i had for about a year is actually just a scam that is really easy to get accepted for.
I don't understand this, how is siphoning money off if people are teaching in state schools?
State schools are also increasingly schemes to siphon off money from the state too. The whole sector is being privatised - that's what the academisation programme is, that's what private providers like Teach First running innovative training schemes is about.
maomao
普費斯
They are getting paid for training you but the training is teaching in a school.
Thora
Differently Ethical
I don't think it's a scam or particularly easy to get accepted for (?) you just have to decide if it's the best route for you. Especially as you have a specialism that would give you a bursary.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
Hmmmm. If you're a teacher in a school under the cosh, you have very little choice - warm bodies who don't appear to be actual murderers could have a run at it. Also most things in teaching get "dropped in" on a daily basis. I think I got a day's notice before my TF'ers arrived. One of them was a postgrad, the other a TA from another school up the road.
Also Iook at the state of this:
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chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
...and to remove trainee teachers from the influence of nefarious Marxist academics in the University.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
The bureacracy and bullshit are deathly but working with kids is great.
I get confused between Teach First and Schools Direct tbh. But I do think a uni/college PGCE is the best route. If nothing else the level of support is better, and there's more scaffolding of what you're expected to do and when. I don't know what your employment/experience background is but I got onto a PGCE science course at a good university with no science-related employment history at all and just a few years of working with kids in non-school settings.
I was taught a course by this guy when i was at university! University suspends lecturer in racism row who praised BNP
So they're not all nefarious Marxists.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
Aw mate, I feel like everyone's pissed on your fireworks. It's not your fault or a reflection on you that the scheme itself stinks. Sorry if you've answered this but is there a reason why you can't do a PGCE?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
SMT/SLT always got me - make your minds up! I called them The Mafia at my last school
maomao
普費斯
I hope teaching works out for you. When does the Teach First course start?
It would depend on money; I definitely need it to be funded and paid, which the Teach First very clearly is, whereas it isn't so clear for PGCE courses. I think if I definitely decided on secondary maths it would mean I should be able to get a bursary but I'm not certain.... but if I decided I wanted to do primary, then I'd have to get on one of the salaried courses for sure.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
Most ime don't use AfL to refer to standardised testing but to any observations - written or verbal - made by/about a child to inform their learning. (Could be a primary/secondary thing though.)
maomao
普費斯
Or the use of the above to refer to a single person. 'He's SLT' rather than 'he's on the SLT'. He's not a fucking team ffs.
maomao
普費斯
Why might you not get the bursary? What's your degree in? I got a bursary to do English and don't have a degree in English. There are people with horrific degrees like marketing getting bursaries to do English. Don't know how it works with maths.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
He's a bellend generally.
my degree is english, i got maths a-level A so I need to do a SKE course but I'm really naturally much better at maths I made a mistake picking the english degree... but anyway, I just don't know re: bursaries.... are you basically certain to get the bursary as long as you get a place on the course??
maomao
普費斯
Ask a uni. I think so. There are certainly plenty of people with non-English degrees getting them but English - Maths is a big gap. But I think you're right if you didn't like the degree I doubt you'd like teaching it.
So absolutely tons of the teachers at my school come from Teach First. It was totally conceived to get unqualified teachers into the classroom on the cheap and therefore undermine teachers' degrees (and keep them away from Marxist institutions). Most of the applicants are young and very middle class, many leave after a few years because teaching is hard.
But lots of them do become very good teachers and the most talented, clever and left leaning teacher in my school came via that route. Depends a lot on your school as to how good your training ends up being, it's mostly down to the department, but then I'd say the same about PGCEs. Teach First is massive, not going to go away so if I were you, I'd probably look for who was going to pay me the most money to train because you're a sought after Maths teacher and it will be the only time as a teacher you'll ever be able to be self-serving.
But lots of them do become very good teachers and the most talented, clever and left leaning teacher in my school came via that route. Depends a lot on your school as to how good your training ends up being, it's mostly down to the department, but then I'd say the same about PGCEs. Teach First is massive, not going to go away so if I were you, I'd probably look for who was going to pay me the most money to train because you're a sought after Maths teacher and it will be the only time as a teacher you'll ever be able to be self-serving.
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miss direct
misfungled
Oh I'm sorry, I don't want to put you off. It's not easy to get accepted, it's just easier to get onto Maths than primary, for example. For a more positive story, one of my friends did TF, she did her obligatory two years in a school in a not very nice part of the UK, then got a job at a very nice international school in Turkey.
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