Those kangaroo powered tanks must have looked good jumping about the battlefield.Italian tanks in Australian service, North Africa:
Tanks for the Memories
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Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
And they could box as well.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
I went to the tank museum today. It had a lot of tanks but I didn't take many photo's as there's enough generic photo's of tanks on the internet that you don't need any more from me.
But it would have been inconsiderate not to take a couple for sharing here.
The Tigers are really impressive up close. Massive bastards. I've seen Panthers and Tiger II's in the Ardennes but never seen a Tiger 1 or a Jagdtiger up close.
The Jagdtiger is basically a small house on tracks.
So yeah, tanks.....
But it would have been inconsiderate not to take a couple for sharing here.
The Tigers are really impressive up close. Massive bastards. I've seen Panthers and Tiger II's in the Ardennes but never seen a Tiger 1 or a Jagdtiger up close.
The Jagdtiger is basically a small house on tracks.
So yeah, tanks.....
Opera Buffa
griddling
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
1 min average here is up to 29 knots, from 23 about an hour ago. TBH, I'd have expected it to be fiercer than that.
Ah. Yes, I think we're sheltered by some hills. Milford's getting 33, with gusts over 60. Which seems a bit more like what's going on outside here, away from protective geography.
Ah. Yes, I think we're sheltered by some hills. Milford's getting 33, with gusts over 60. Which seems a bit more like what's going on outside here, away from protective geography.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
The manual for the T34 (in English): T-34 Tank Service Manual
not-bono-ever
meh
came across a bunch of *tanks*
on my urbex jaunt in May/June, Balkans somewhere
on my urbex jaunt in May/June, Balkans somewhere
not-bono-ever
meh
yes, #1 is a tractor with steel plate welded to it
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Not half enough.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
It shouldn't surprise me, but that place looks remarkably like the FIBUA village at Sennybridge Training Area...
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Just wondering, could the tank be rendered obsolete by the rise of a new generation of man-portable anti-tank weapons?
Hezbollah seem to have done well with this Russian job, for example: 9M133 Kornet - Wikipedia
Hezbollah seem to have done well with this Russian job, for example: 9M133 Kornet - Wikipedia
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
The Kornet vs Merkava kills in 2006 caused Israel to develop the Trophy APS. Hamas shot 0 out of 15 with Kornet vs Trophy equipped Merkava in the recent nonsense. Somewhere in Islington a snow white beard grew heavy with tears.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Also, you have to be prepared to wear a lot of KIAs when employing ATGMs against MTBs. This obviously isn't a problem for Hamas/Hezbollah but not every army has an almost inexhaustible supply of disposable cannon fodder.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I think that, much like the aircraft carrier and ballistic missile submarines, the death of the tank has been somewhat oversold.
Modern ATGW are more effective than previous types, but so are the defensive systems on a tank - the armour itself, ECM, laser detection systems, automated fire control and aiming systems slaved to the laser detection system (the tank detecting that it has a laser pointed at it, working out where the laser is coming from and automatically sending a 120mm shell back down the beam to the missile firing point).
With regards to the AT12 itself, a large slice of the success it had against both the Israelis and the Turks has been ascribed by other western Armies to bad tactics and laziness. The Israeli's developed a counter missile system and have had great success with it as well as changing - or perhaps more accurately - more widely enforcing their tank doctrine.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i was quite impressed with the vietnamese, who - bernard fall reports in street without joy - used bazookas to cook french tank crews inside immobilised vehicles. while the missiles would not penetrate they did heat the hull.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
*note to self: never play Scrabble against DownwardDog*
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Our revenge will be the laughter of our children
I looked this up on wiki, and it looks like the response to that is to swarm the enemy with more basic ATGMs, strip off the protective stuff, and then hit the opposition tank from behind.
That might apply to people living in the hell that is Gaza, but it looks like Hezbollah recruits its cadre very selectively, and then invests heavily in their training. That's not something you throw away like a mere bagatelle, surely?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you have to watch him at cribbage too
incidentally, while mtb means motor torpedo boat i suspect yer man meant mbt (main battle tank)
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I think you need a lot more that that - I bet the casualty rates for the 'preperation' firing points are pretty eye-watering. While this network of 'lesser' ATGW is brassing up the oncoming Israelis, what do people think the Israelis are doing?
We practice this stuff - dismounts and light mobile ATGW teams against Armour/Mechanised enemy - we get a couple of hits and the End of the Tank looks like it's arrived, and then the tanks get bored of being shot at, and suddenly the End of the Tank looks a lot further off, and the End of Infantry looks like it's arrived.
It's something that works for a very short period of time in specific conditions, and then it stops working and gets very expensive in the loss of both expensively trained people and expensively bought hardware.
High Voltage
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Given forces "lingo" - Main Tank (Battle) - 1, for the use of
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i type corrected
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I did wonder (re MTB/MBT). Perhaps that Scrabble game wouldn't be such a dead loss, after all...
