krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
Put him on ignore.
Thing is; you love to have a go. It's an addiction for you.
Taliban attack army school in Pakistan
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Put him on ignore.
Thing is; you love to have a go. It's an addiction for you.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i didn't say it was meaningless. i said it was meaningless removed from its context.
just for once i'm going to take your advice, krtek, and on to ignore you go.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
"Need not" seldom translates into "will not", unfortunately, and the way people name things informs the way people think of and consider those things, as our media and the ruling classes know all too well.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Did they commit those actions because they're savages, or did they commit those "acts of savagery" for reasons beyond wanting to burn, kill and maim?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'd call him a schmuck. Last time I did so, he told me he was going to put me on ignore.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
"In other words"?
Only if you're a disingenuous scumbag.
AS he's saying, and as I have said, one needs to look beyond the immediate acts, to what past events have caused this, and to look forward, at ways to prevent this happening again. Simply ranting hollowly about whether a person or an act is savage offers nothing to either of those tasks. All it does is make the person uttering the sentiment feel self-righteously "good".
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
he's obviously got a thicker skin now, to accompany his thick skullI'd call him a schmuck. Last time I did so, he told me he was going to put me on ignore.
bendeus
Bellend Tagline Generator
We didn't really get the chance before someone or other derailed the thread with semantics
tbf, you should really have put 'WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?' in much bigger letters to show how loud you are shouting and 'outraged of Surbiton' you are.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
right. so you are blaming your limitations on me having a problem with the use of the word savages. which is a peculiar word to use when talking about brown people. somehow i stopped you engaging brain and thinking critically about the attack. i am sorry - i did not realise how feeble your faculties are.
bendeus
Bellend Tagline Generator
Well done, champ!
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
Yes; of course. Tell the parents that they need to look beyond the immediate acts.
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
Yes. But we are not the parents, are we? We are not caught up in this horrific, reciprocal cycle of violence.
Therefore we are duty bound to look beyond the immediate acts. Otherwise we are part of the Greek chorus of outrage and as such become nett contributors (in our own little way).
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that sort of post doesn't entirely fill me with confidence in your ability to proceed along the lines you suggested.
if you can, then do it; if you can't then no point carrying on about it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You can be fairly sure they'll already be looking beyond the immediate acts in order to ensure it doesn't happen again.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and what do you think about this sorry incident? all you've stopped by to do is tell me off, you don't seem to care one way or the other about peshewar. toi, egotistical? mais oui...
I think you're seeking to make great currency of it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i've asked you six questions on this thread, and you've answered none of them. nor, btw, have you given an opinion on the incident. what are you doing on this thread?
What's your occupation? I'm guessing a traffic warden or similar toady.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
To be honest, in these times of political correctness, brown is also a peculiar word to use when talking about brown people.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Things is-we have NO choice where our taxes go-governments make the decision as to how to spend them and which wars to start. The reality is the only choice we have is to vote out the governments that have taken the questionable decisions. So in that sense-we have NO responsibility for how our money is spent...unless of course we completely opt out of paying taxes and live in a tent in a field.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
The moment we start trying to justify or offset the horror of whats happened then we become even more detached from reality. I know of the Taliban. Their history. Whats happening now. The drone attacks. They are still a massive bunch of cunts for this act. If they attacked military targets then maybe I'd cut a bit more slack...but Im sorry-there's NO justification for attacking schoolkids. If my house was blown up and my kids killed I still couldnt walk into a school and kill children in direct retaliation. Im quite comfortable calling the perpetrators savage, evil etc....thats nothing to do with moral superiority...and everything to do with recognising an act of brutality for what it is.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I'd agree with pickmans and VP that using the word 'savages' is unhelpful, and that's nothing to do with an iota of sympathy for the Taliban or their cause. There are plenty of white guys that commit horrific acts - pedophiles, gang rapists, mass murders, torturers, war criminals and so on but they are rarely referred to as 'savages' (though they may be called 'monsters' or some such thing). It is clear that 'savage' is a racist and colonialist term and should be jettisoned for that reason alone. Just because people are rightfully outraged by these acts they should still think about the language that they use. It would be wrong to call the Taliban 'fucking ragheads' or 'sand niggers' or something like that out of outrage, though obviously those terms are more explicitly racist in comparison to 'savages' which is a subtler, and probably a subconscious, communication of similar ideas.
That said, you've got to cut people some slack when they're reacting in anger to such an unspeakable atrocity as this slaughter of innocents. Sometimes they might not use the most PC language when under heightened emotions, but no one's perfect. I'm only able to write this fairly coolly because enough time has passed after the massacre to be able to deliberate about how to react a bit more calmly.
That said, you've got to cut people some slack when they're reacting in anger to such an unspeakable atrocity as this slaughter of innocents. Sometimes they might not use the most PC language when under heightened emotions, but no one's perfect. I'm only able to write this fairly coolly because enough time has passed after the massacre to be able to deliberate about how to react a bit more calmly.
Lemon Eddy
Disliked by dwyer
Please can we drop this sidetrack. It's not helping. Maybe we can fire up another thread to debate whether certain words are too tarnished to use at all, even for their dictionary defined action, but not here.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I've said all I have to on that point.
On the actual topic, I'm not sure what more there is to say than it's absolutely horrifying.
coley
Well-Known Member
Now we can both understand the strategic/publicity attracting nature of this atrocity,but in fairness, you have to wonder at people who go beyond simple murder and go on to exercise a level of brutality and sadism well in excess of what's needed to extract revenge or to seek leverage?
The various descriptions of the people involved can be watered down to a simple description (and your earlier suggestion helped, but needed a prefix)
Psychopathic zealots.
And in fairness, I don't think you can negotiate with people who fit that description.
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