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I think the nazis were savages. I also think the perpetrators in the Rwanda massacre were savages. I also think Anders Brevik was a savage. Where does that leave me...occupying some sort of moral high ground with tinges of racism?
by nazis d'you mean members of the nsdap, some of whom only joined the party because it was necessary to keep their jobs, or d'you mean germans? or do you mean a different category, 'those germans, some of whom were members of the nsdap, who planned and/or executed war crimes and/or genocide'? or another category altogether? not so easy interpreting what you mean when you look at it.
 
Everyone please watch this video, ps no Brand was involved in the making of this film.
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/pakistan802/video/video_index.html
Precis- Investigation into the 2009 school shootings in pakistan and the PK military incursion into Swat valley

he city of Peshawar is on high alert. The Taliban are closing in, regularly attacking police convoys, kidnapping diplomats, and shooting foreigners. The fighting across this volatile region has driven thousands of families from their homes and many have found shelter in Peshawar.

Correspondent Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy is traveling across her fractured homeland to investigate the rising popularity of a new Pakistani branch of the Taliban, now threatening the major cities, blowing up girls’ schools and declaring war on the Pakistani state.

Her journey begins at a rehabilitation center in Peshawar, where she talks with many young victims caught in the crossfire of this war.

“We saw the dead body of a policeman tied to a pole,” an articulate young girl named Qainat tells the reporter quietly. “His head had been chopped off. It was hanging between his legs. There was a note saying that if anyone moved the dead body, they would share its fate.”

Before the Taliban took control of Qainat’s village, the women in her family attended university and worked. But now the Taliban has banned girls from going to school.

Qainat is from Swat, a 100-mile-long valley in the north of Pakistan, three hours drive from Peshawar. Until recently, Swat was known as the Switzerland of the east, and had a thriving tourist industry.

Two years ago, hundreds of Taliban fighters moved into the valley from the adjoining tribal areas, when the Pakistani Army drove them out.

Driving through the streets of Swat filming surreptitiously, Obaid-Chinoy sees Swati women wearing the burqa. This never used to be the case.

The Taliban often use radio broadcasts to drive home their message.

In one typical address, a preacher proclaims:

“Sharia Law is our right, and we will exercise this right whatever happens. We will make ourselves suicide bombers! I swear to God if our leader orders me, I will sacrifice myself… and blow myself up in the middle of our enemies.“

The Taliban have destroyed more than 200 government schools in Swat since they took control of the region. Walking through the rubble of a school that once taught 400 girls, the reporter comes across two nine-year-old girls who used to study there.

“Why did you like school?” she asks one of them.

“Because education is like a ray of light and I want that light,” she replies.

When the sound of mortar fire cuts the conversation short, the film crew leaves quickly, passing through the main square. Locals have renamed it “Khooni Chowk” (“bloody square”) for all the public beheadings the Taliban now carry out there.

Several weeks after FRONTLINE/World filmed in Swat, the Pakistani government signed a peace deal with the Taliban, allowing the imposition of a brutal brand of Sharia Law on a million people across the valley.

It’s a significant deal, reports Obaid-Chinoy. Swat lies outside the tribal area, showing that Taliban influence is growing, and the militants now have a new safe haven.

In Taliban strongholds near the Afghan border, they have been running their own schools for years, targeting poor families and often providing food and shelter.

One Swat teenager explains how he joined the Taliban a year ago, when he was 13. First it was the sermons at the mosque, then being recruited to a madrassa, and finally spending months in military training.

They teach us to use a machine gun, Kalashnikov…Then they teach us how to do a suicide attack,” he tells our reporter.

Despite the Swat peace deal, the Pakistan Army has been battling the Taliban for several months, deep inside the tribal belt.

In Bajaur, just 10 miles from the Afghan border, flattened buildings are all that remain of this former trading hub, once home to 7,000 people.

The Army claims it destroyed the town because it was the only way to free it from militants. This hard line approach has left hundreds of thousands of refugees, many winding up in makeshift camps on the edge of the Tribal belt.

It’s the largest internal displacement Pakistan has ever seen, Obaid-Chinoy reports. Almost a million people have been forced to leave their homes.

Visiting one such camp in Peshawar, we meet two young men among the 15,000 children displaced there. Wasifullah and Abdurrahman are best friends, but they have different ideas of who is to blame for this war. Both boys fled their village when the Pakistani Army began bombing. Their district was also targeted by American missile strikes. In one of those strikes, Wasifullah’s 12-year-old cousin was killed.

“We brought his remains home in bags,” he explains with little expression. “We could only find his legs so we buried them in our village.”

There have been more than 30 U.S. missile strikes in the tribal areas in the last year. They target Taliban and Al Qaeda leaders, but civilians are often killed as well. It’s an easy recruiting tool for the Taliban, and Wasifullah is eager to sign up.

But his best friend Abdurrahman blames Al Qaeda for the destruction of their village. He would prefer to become a captain in the Pakistan Army. The two friends sadly represent the fault lines in this unstable nation.

The Army has also suffered in its campaign against the Taliban. In the last five years, thousands of Pakistani soldiers have been wounded. And more than 1,500 have been killed.

Visiting some of the wounded in a local hospital, Obaid-Chinoy asks one soldier why the Taliban hate the Pakistani Army so much.

“The American policies we adopted; that’s why the Taliban are angry at the Army.
That’s why we’re suffering,” he whispers.

Meanwhile, the Taliban are growing bolder by the day, openly inviting journalists to the heart of the tribal areas for a show of strength. As a woman, Obaid-Chinoy is told she is not welcome and that she will be killed if she goes. A local cameraman sets out to film there instead.

In a village 6 hours from Peshawar, it is the first time that the new deputy leader of the Pakistani Taliban, Hakimullah Mehsud, has been filmed.

Arriving in an American Humvee his men have just captured in an attack on a NATO convoy, he tells the cameraman, “If America continues bombing the tribal areas… and martyrs innocent people…then we are compelled to attack them.” He also sends a message to Islamabad: “If the Pakistani leaders and army maintain their stance… then we will take control of Peshawar and other cities.”

This is no empty threat. The war has already arrived in the capital and Pakistan’s largest city, Karachi.

Back in Karachi, Obaid-Chinoy finds that her native city has become a new safe haven for the Taliban. She visits one of the city’s poorest neighborhoods, which local police concede has become heavily infiltrated by the Taliban. Most of the children here already study at small madrassas.

After their lessons, some of the boys play cricket on a strip of wasteland close to school. One of them is Shaheed, which means “martyr.” He is 14 and one of 200 pupils at the school, most of whom come from extremely poor families.

The state education system in Pakistan has virtually collapsed, leaving more than 1.5 million children studying at schools like this one. Sitting down to be interviewed, Shaheed explains what Sharia Law has taught him about women.

“The government should forbid women and girls from wandering around outside,” he says calmly. “Just like the government banned plastic bags -- no one uses them any more -- we should do the same with women.”

Shaheed’s teacher defends the school, saying it promotes only peace and harmony, not terrorism, but away from the camera, he tells another story.

When asked who he thinks will win this war, his response is chilling:

“No matter how many Muslims die, we will never run out of sacrificial lambs.”

It also confirms something Shaheed said during his interview: “When I look at suicide bombers younger than me, or my age, I get so inspired by their terrific attacks.”

Leaving Karachi, the reporter tries to make contact with the Taliban leadership in the tribal areas. She wants to talk to the men who are recruiting children from these religious schools for suicide operations.

After lengthy negotiations, she meets with Qari Abdullah, who makes no attempt to hide his face.

“We never used to fight against Pakistan, because we thought the Army were Muslims,” he tells her. “But when they started bombing us, we had to do jihad against them.”

When she asks him about using young children to carry out such attacks, he replies:

“Children are tools to achieve God’s will. And whatever comes your way, you sacrifice it.” He then reveals that he recruits children as young as 5, 6, and 7 years old.

Coming to the end of her bleak journey, Obaid-Chinoy reminds us that there are 80 million children in Pakistan, many of them living in poverty. If the militants continue to expand their war and to recruit children freely, as they do now, then Pakistan may soon belong to them.
 
Everyone please watch this video, ps no Brand was involved in the making of this film.
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/pakistan802/video/video_index.html
Precis- Investigation into the 2009 school shootings in pakistan and the PK military incursion into Swat valley

he city of Peshawar is on high alert. The Taliban are closing in, regularly attacking police convoys, kidnapping diplomats, and shooting foreigners. The fighting across this volatile region has driven thousands of families from their homes and many have found shelter in Peshawar.

Correspondent Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy is traveling across her fractured homeland to investigate the rising popularity of a new Pakistani branch of the Taliban, now threatening the major cities, blowing up girls’ schools and declaring war on the Pakistani state.

Her journey begins at a rehabilitation center in Peshawar, where she talks with many young victims caught in the crossfire of this war.

“We saw the dead body of a policeman tied to a pole,” an articulate young girl named Qainat tells the reporter quietly. “His head had been chopped off. It was hanging between his legs. There was a note saying that if anyone moved the dead body, they would share its fate.”

Before the Taliban took control of Qainat’s village, the women in her family attended university and worked. But now the Taliban has banned girls from going to school.

Qainat is from Swat, a 100-mile-long valley in the north of Pakistan, three hours drive from Peshawar. Until recently, Swat was known as the Switzerland of the east, and had a thriving tourist industry.

Two years ago, hundreds of Taliban fighters moved into the valley from the adjoining tribal areas, when the Pakistani Army drove them out.

Driving through the streets of Swat filming surreptitiously, Obaid-Chinoy sees Swati women wearing the burqa. This never used to be the case.

The Taliban often use radio broadcasts to drive home their message.

In one typical address, a preacher proclaims:

“Sharia Law is our right, and we will exercise this right whatever happens. We will make ourselves suicide bombers! I swear to God if our leader orders me, I will sacrifice myself… and blow myself up in the middle of our enemies.“

The Taliban have destroyed more than 200 government schools in Swat since they took control of the region. Walking through the rubble of a school that once taught 400 girls, the reporter comes across two nine-year-old girls who used to study there.

“Why did you like school?” she asks one of them.

“Because education is like a ray of light and I want that light,” she replies.

When the sound of mortar fire cuts the conversation short, the film crew leaves quickly, passing through the main square. Locals have renamed it “Khooni Chowk” (“bloody square”) for all the public beheadings the Taliban now carry out there.

Several weeks after FRONTLINE/World filmed in Swat, the Pakistani government signed a peace deal with the Taliban, allowing the imposition of a brutal brand of Sharia Law on a million people across the valley.

It’s a significant deal, reports Obaid-Chinoy. Swat lies outside the tribal area, showing that Taliban influence is growing, and the militants now have a new safe haven.

In Taliban strongholds near the Afghan border, they have been running their own schools for years, targeting poor families and often providing food and shelter.

One Swat teenager explains how he joined the Taliban a year ago, when he was 13. First it was the sermons at the mosque, then being recruited to a madrassa, and finally spending months in military training.

They teach us to use a machine gun, Kalashnikov…Then they teach us how to do a suicide attack,” he tells our reporter.

Despite the Swat peace deal, the Pakistan Army has been battling the Taliban for several months, deep inside the tribal belt.

In Bajaur, just 10 miles from the Afghan border, flattened buildings are all that remain of this former trading hub, once home to 7,000 people.

The Army claims it destroyed the town because it was the only way to free it from militants. This hard line approach has left hundreds of thousands of refugees, many winding up in makeshift camps on the edge of the Tribal belt.

It’s the largest internal displacement Pakistan has ever seen, Obaid-Chinoy reports. Almost a million people have been forced to leave their homes.

Visiting one such camp in Peshawar, we meet two young men among the 15,000 children displaced there. Wasifullah and Abdurrahman are best friends, but they have different ideas of who is to blame for this war. Both boys fled their village when the Pakistani Army began bombing. Their district was also targeted by American missile strikes. In one of those strikes, Wasifullah’s 12-year-old cousin was killed.

“We brought his remains home in bags,” he explains with little expression. “We could only find his legs so we buried them in our village.”

There have been more than 30 U.S. missile strikes in the tribal areas in the last year. They target Taliban and Al Qaeda leaders, but civilians are often killed as well. It’s an easy recruiting tool for the Taliban, and Wasifullah is eager to sign up.

But his best friend Abdurrahman blames Al Qaeda for the destruction of their village. He would prefer to become a captain in the Pakistan Army. The two friends sadly represent the fault lines in this unstable nation.

The Army has also suffered in its campaign against the Taliban. In the last five years, thousands of Pakistani soldiers have been wounded. And more than 1,500 have been killed.

Visiting some of the wounded in a local hospital, Obaid-Chinoy asks one soldier why the Taliban hate the Pakistani Army so much.

“The American policies we adopted; that’s why the Taliban are angry at the Army.
That’s why we’re suffering,” he whispers.

Meanwhile, the Taliban are growing bolder by the day, openly inviting journalists to the heart of the tribal areas for a show of strength. As a woman, Obaid-Chinoy is told she is not welcome and that she will be killed if she goes. A local cameraman sets out to film there instead.

In a village 6 hours from Peshawar, it is the first time that the new deputy leader of the Pakistani Taliban, Hakimullah Mehsud, has been filmed.

Arriving in an American Humvee his men have just captured in an attack on a NATO convoy, he tells the cameraman, “If America continues bombing the tribal areas… and martyrs innocent people…then we are compelled to attack them.” He also sends a message to Islamabad: “If the Pakistani leaders and army maintain their stance… then we will take control of Peshawar and other cities.”

This is no empty threat. The war has already arrived in the capital and Pakistan’s largest city, Karachi.

Back in Karachi, Obaid-Chinoy finds that her native city has become a new safe haven for the Taliban. She visits one of the city’s poorest neighborhoods, which local police concede has become heavily infiltrated by the Taliban. Most of the children here already study at small madrassas.

After their lessons, some of the boys play cricket on a strip of wasteland close to school. One of them is Shaheed, which means “martyr.” He is 14 and one of 200 pupils at the school, most of whom come from extremely poor families.

The state education system in Pakistan has virtually collapsed, leaving more than 1.5 million children studying at schools like this one. Sitting down to be interviewed, Shaheed explains what Sharia Law has taught him about women.

“The government should forbid women and girls from wandering around outside,” he says calmly. “Just like the government banned plastic bags -- no one uses them any more -- we should do the same with women.”

Shaheed’s teacher defends the school, saying it promotes only peace and harmony, not terrorism, but away from the camera, he tells another story.

When asked who he thinks will win this war, his response is chilling:

“No matter how many Muslims die, we will never run out of sacrificial lambs.”

It also confirms something Shaheed said during his interview: “When I look at suicide bombers younger than me, or my age, I get so inspired by their terrific attacks.”

Leaving Karachi, the reporter tries to make contact with the Taliban leadership in the tribal areas. She wants to talk to the men who are recruiting children from these religious schools for suicide operations.

After lengthy negotiations, she meets with Qari Abdullah, who makes no attempt to hide his face.

“We never used to fight against Pakistan, because we thought the Army were Muslims,” he tells her. “But when they started bombing us, we had to do jihad against them.”

When she asks him about using young children to carry out such attacks, he replies:

“Children are tools to achieve God’s will. And whatever comes your way, you sacrifice it.” He then reveals that he recruits children as young as 5, 6, and 7 years old.

Coming to the end of her bleak journey, Obaid-Chinoy reminds us that there are 80 million children in Pakistan, many of them living in poverty. If the militants continue to expand their war and to recruit children freely, as they do now, then Pakistan may soon belong to them.

Won't load, but is from 2009 isn't it?
 
it's working on Chrome, flash 9 required though.

Yes it was made in 2009,though the focus of military intervention has moved from swat to warizistan it seems no lessons were learnt.
 
It seems to me that it leaves you with a threadbare philosophy that allows you to pronounce what is or isn't moral.
Correct. There are people out there that actually think this attack wasn't barbaric and perfectly justified. We all have our own morals vp.
 
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Fuck me, but that's crass and ignorant.
Has it ever occurred to you that such incidents aren't carried out for the reaction of "western" eyes, but for more "local" purposes? Ypu can be sure that in Pakistan and Afghanistan the atrocities have achieved a little more than "a 24 hour media/public storm of indignation".

Perhaps I put It badly and perhaps you don't look hard enough,the 24 hr remark was aimed at how quickly we lose interest in the suffering of others when it isn't on our doorstep, and how shortsighted we are in not realising these actions could very possibly be happening on our doorstep sometime very soon,if we don't offer help to those who's doorstep is being currently shat upon?
 
some of the questions are rhetorical and need no answers, they need addressing though.

i'd recommend as a starting point reading this http://thebaluch.com/documents/0802150837 - FRANTZ FANON - The Wretched of the Earth.pdf
pay close attention to the parts about the disconnect between the rural and urban poor on one side and the political elite and their tools of state on the other. Then ask yourself again why is this happening? what is the Real Politic?

Why do children growing up in the refugee camps and urban slums see a binary choice of joining jihad or joining the military as a way of getting out of a desperate hand to mouth existence on the margins of society?

Why was Pakistan society able to rationalise the violence the taliban had visited upon girls schools in the swat valley;200 girls schools closed with acts and threats of violence every bit as savage. They paved the way to Peshwar but where was the paroxysm of shock then?
obviously the gender of the majority of intended victims was highly important but also a factor was the ecconomic status of the victims, daughters of farmers,ethnic and religious minorities and refugees rather than the daughters of Ministers and Generals.
 
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The situation does indeed seem hopeless because we collectively are dealing with the blowback of 40+ years of failed states exporting dissent,even now look at whats going on now with regards Rehman Lakhvi and the statements made by Zahid Hamed and Pervez Musharraf.

To eradicate jihadism first you have to eradicate the social causes of jihad. Redistribute the wealth. Stop asset stripping the tribal belt.Stop collusion and using the religious right aka the "good taliban" to smash any social progressives they encounter.Shut down the refugee camps or in the interim restructure them to normalise family life where gender relations are not prohibited and arbitarily enforced with military precision.

For if man creates by his hand a godfosaken land, the godforsaken will look to god.
 
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Correct. There are people out there that actually think this attack wasn't barbaric and perfectly justified. We all have our own morals vp.

Even the people who committed the atrocity will be aware that what they did was barbaric. That's actually the nature of their action - to commit so gross an act that those they fight against pause for thought or grant concessions, or (if they're especially conflictual) to aggravate the military into acting non-strategically. In other words, the barbarism is deliberate. It's a tactic in a strategy.
 
Pakistan is a failed state with nukes.
It gets more in aid money from the uk than it collects income tax from its rich who are seriously rich by the way :(
 
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I think it would be more accurate to describe that echelon of pakistani society as a state within a state, one that feels itself inoculated from the consequences of its social fracking.
 
How social activists are taking to twitter
http://www.dawn.com/news/1152635/jibran-nasir-the-alpha-activist

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interesting mirroring of the brand debate going on there incidentally ,identifying and labelling of individuals as alpha's by the media ect
 
The school reopened today.
Perhaps it would have had more coverage if not for the events in France last week.
In rememberance of the victims.
I wish all students and staff a peaceful and successful new term.
 
Shocked but not surprised.
The treatment of women is appalling but accepted as cultural difference.
It is only the power these thugs wield that allows them to decide that education is a male preserve. How frightened are they of losing the tenuous hold they have over people.
 
Wot, no Christmas music or anything. Perhaps we should give them a big snog under the misletoe and if
that doesn't bring them to their senses, perhaps we should play them endless Christmas music until they
stop!
 
Wot, no Christmas music or anything. Perhaps we should give them a big snog under the misletoe and if
that doesn't bring them to their senses, perhaps we should play them endless Christmas music until they
stop!
i think playing them endless christmas musick would provide them with a widely recognised casus belli
 
The Girls of the Taliban

interesting documentary that might be of interest to some here, not watched it yet, not sure i can bear to .

According to some US reports the taliban now control more territory than they have since 2001.
 
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