Support the French Rioters!

[Herbert Read]

just as a matter of interest several people have emphasised buring workers cars is a bad thing. I'm assuming from this burning rich peoples/bosses cars would be an valid form of riot expression?

Burning all cars is a good thing, anti civ

Increased use of and wareness of public transport

 

[Herbert Read]

those as herbert would say, it would have been 'more interesting' if they had.

met up for a chin wag & coffee wherewere the molotovs

It could have been beautiful, in Greece anarchists have attacked various french institutions in solidarity.

I myself threw a rock at the window of deli-france in Leeds, it bounced off no one was injured.

 

[revol68]

I work with a lot of Muslim students in Hackney - asked them what they thought all the rioting was about - "racism, no money, no services, don't want to be discriminated against, want job" - no mention of Islam at all.
Do you think everyone who goes to church for weddings and funerals is Christian as well?

why are you asking me that?

 

[Taxamo Welf]

he isn't.

 

[revol68]

Burning all cars is a good thing, anti civ

Increased use of and wareness of public transport

i take it back you daft primmo cunt, i don't like you!

and monty obviously there is a difference between burning rich peoples cars and working class peoples, unfortunately there aren't too many Merc's
in those kids areas and they seem to have took to burning anything with wheels.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

met up for a chin wag & coffee wherewere the molotovs

It could have been beautiful, in Greece anarchists have attacked various french institutions in solidarity.

I myself threw a rock at the window of deli-france in Leeds, it bounced off no one was injured.

i brutally demolished a croissant the other day. I did it for the french working class. I also attacked the capitalists of denmark on the same action, before the petty-bourgoise lapdog security gaurd said if i hadn't paid for them, i had to leave the bakery section. He obviously knew which side class war he was on

 

[Herbert Read]

i take it back you daft primmo cunt, i don't like you!

and monty obviously there is a difference between burning rich peoples cars and working class peoples, unfortunately there aren't too many Merc's
in those kids areas and they seem to have took to burning anything with wheels.

What primmo, im taking the piss

Thora will laugh i my knew primmo pariah status

 

[cockneyrebel]

and monty obviously there is a difference between burning rich peoples cars and working class peoples, unfortunately there aren't too many Merc's
in those kids areas and they seem to have took to burning anything with wheels.

And what's your point? Of course some rioters might do some anti-social things, that generally happens in riots. But the root cause of this is anger against poverty and racism. It might not fit the criteria of what is acceptable in the cosy lives of people like Icepick, but I doubt they give a fuck.

It makes me laugh that people on here mock people who say they support struggles they can't influence yet simultaneously feel comfortable making armchair judgements about the people rioting in France.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

What primmo

This primmo!

 

[rednblack]

It makes me laugh that people on here mock people who say they support struggles they can't influence yet simultaneously feel comfortable making armchair judgements about the people rioting in France.

keep it up!

 

[Herbert Read]

This primmo!

Ilike the way a tutle turns into a house and eggs an oil well factory thingy.

I fucking love heavy industry.

 

[rednblack]

This primmo!

that video is well smart i genuinely like it

 

[rednblack]

seriously the logic of those who refuse to offer 100% solidarity with the rioters on the basis that the riots are bad for some working class people are extremely dangerous, the fact is pretty much every action working class people take to defend ourselves who fight for better conditions can harm members of our class - if a wildcat strike fails, and extremely common occurance it can lead to horrific consequences to working class people - does that mean we shouldnt support wildcat strikes?

 

[revol68]

And what's your point? Of course some rioters might do some anti-social things, that generally happens in riots. But the root cause of this is anger against poverty and racism. It might not fit the criteria of what is acceptable in the cosy lives of people like Icepick, but I doubt they give a fuck.

It makes me laugh that people on here mock people who say they support struggles they can't influence yet simultaneously feel comfortable making armchair judgements about the people rioting in France.

no one has denied the anger behind the riots is justified and fuck i'm not even that too bothered about cars, thats going to happen in a riot, what i am concerned about is how the anti social actions ie attacking nurseries and hospitals will limit the ability of these struggles to break out of the ghettoes and involve the wider working class.

It's not about moralising ala the daily mail it's about come to terms with divisions and conflicts within the working class.

 

[cats hammers]

What about the w/c people self organising to defend schools, community centres, nurseries etc. against the rioters? I think that's one of the most important things coming out of this - just blindly 'supporting the rioters' is gonna give one a slightly refracted perspective on this.

Altho to be honest I don't know too much on this, just snippets here and there - anyone seen much substantial on this?

 

[Herbert Read]

no one has denied the anger behind the riots is justified and fuck i'm not even that too bothered about cars, thats going to happen in a riot, what i am concerned about is how the anti social actions ie attacking nurseries and hospitals will limit the ability of these struggles to break out of the ghettoes and involve the wider working class.

It's not about moralising ala the daily mail it's about come to terms with divisions and conflicts within the working class.

You mean how do we get from riot to insurrection, from mindless violence, to political targettted violence.

If i knew id be doing it

 

[Herbert Read]

What about the w/c people self organising to defend schools, community centres, nurseries etc. against the rioters? I think that's one of the most important things coming out of this - just blindly 'supporting the rioters' is gonna give one a slightly refracted perspective on this.

Altho to be honest I don't know too much on this, just snippets here and there - anyone seen much substantial on this?

should the w/c defend institutions in the interest of the state againt people who are expressing disatisfication with govt

 

[revol68]

should the w/c defend institutions in the interest of the state againt people who are expressing disatisfication with govt

what a ridiculous statement, i take it you think that peoples council houses should also be targetted.

Man the state is not some sort of homogenous matter of capitalist eveil, the working class has foisted soical roles onto the state through it's own struggles.

I take it you think struggles against privitisation are statist too?

 

[Herbert Read]

what a ridiculous statement, i take it you think that peoples council houses should also be targetted.

Man the state is not some sort of homogenous matter of capitalist eveil, the working class has foisted soical roles onto the state through it's own struggles.

I take it you think struggles against privitisation are statist too?

I dont believe in reforming or creating in institutions within the current framework, im a nihilist

We can only build once we have destryed everything under capatalism.

So you are advocating that the w/c defend state institutions against other sections of the w/c

 

[cockneyrebel]

no one has denied the anger behind the riots is justified and fuck i'm not even that too bothered about cars, thats going to happen in a riot, what i am concerned about is how the anti social actions ie attacking nurseries and hospitals will limit the ability of these struggles to break out of the ghettoes and involve the wider working class.

It might be that the actions of some of the rioters are fruitless and I agree that attempts to bring in the wider organised working class need to be made. Who would deny that?

But the thing that should stressed before all else is that this is the result of decades of unemployment, racism and poverty. The blame for these riots, and any anti-social actions, must lie at the feet of the French state.

 

[cockneyrebel]

It’s the tone of some people’s posts. For instance Icepick, working class salt of the earth warrior that he is says:

While the concerns are legitimate - lots of the rioters are burning their fellow workers' cars, destroying public resources and attacking their fellow workers.

And

Around 1,000 kids from the banlieus attacked a demonstration of working class students for education reform, beating and mugging hundreds of them

(someone subsequently pointed out that this actually happened in March!)

His first post attacks the rioters more than the French state.

 

[Pickman's model]

His first post attacks the rioters more than the French state.

quelle surprise!

 

[revol68]

It might be that the actions of some of the rioters are fruitless and I agree that attempts to bring in the wider organised working class need to be made. Who would deny that?

But the thing that should stressed before all else is that this is the result of decades of unemployment, racism and poverty. The blame for these riots, and any anti-social actions, must lie at the feet of the French state.

this is Urban75 most people on it are pretty lefty, no one denies where the overall problem lies, fuck even the mainstream media have been very sympathetic in that sense. What i'm interested in though is how these riots could lead to something more, that they could move beyond just anger and violence, I want to try and graps what these riots mean for the working class as a whole, does it further stratify the class? Does it have the ability to mature into a struggle that can act as an actual catalyst for the rest of the class.

Why should people who claim tobe serious about communism merely ape liberal comment.

I'm not interested in whose to blame for the riots, i'm interested in what the actual riots mean.

 

[Pickman's model]

you've shown precious little evidence of that so far, with yr reactionary comments.

 

[revol68]

you've shown precious little evidence of that so far, with yr reactionary comments.

what reactionary comments you knee jerk leftist wind bag?

 

[Pickman's model]

what reactionary comments you knee jerk leftist wind bag?

just the ones you've submitted to the test of publick opinion on this site.

 

[revol68]

just the ones you've submitted to the test of publick opinion on this site.

come on them fuckface quote them.

And why would I want to test the public opinion on these boards?

I could put bets on nearly everyones reaction to the riots before they post.

 

[Zonk]

come on them fuckface quote them.

And why would I want to test the public opinion on these boards?

I could put bets on nearly everyones reaction to the riots before they post.

You'z such a clever little fucker aren't ya!

And psychic to boot!

 

[revol68]

You'z such a clever little fucker aren't ya!

And psychic to boot!

see i knew you'd say that

 

[rednblack]

And psychic to boot!

prods are into all that spiritualism and that arent they?