Sunday Roast polite discussion thread.

[High Voltage]

Going to take issue with peas as core, roast spuds definitely though.

I think core veg (other than roast spuds) needs to be a bit flexible as in "2 or more out of the following list of veg" with the list including peas, broc, cauli, cabbage, carrots, sprouts, green or runner beans etc. with some appreciation as to what is currently in season.

Yeah. The "and a few peas" has become a bit of a very long running family gag (see my previous monster post) - so much so that when I'm with my sister it really does "take us back" so, yes, I absolutely agree with you but for sentimental reasons, on my list, it's going to stay

 

[Saffy]

My daughter sent a pic of a roast dinner she had at her bf house and it had sweetcorn on it.

 

[AnnaKarpik]

At the risk of seeming contrarian for the sake of it, is the modern roast potato actually too crispy? I don't mean burnt, I mean is there too much emphasis on getting that crispy rough exterior? I'm speaking as someone who is fairly frequently called upon to do roast potatoes. I'm thinking next time no parboil, no roughing up , just straight oven cook until cooked.

I'm with you on this; don't fart about with the taters, stick 'em in fat and cook.

 

[Edie]

My daughter sent a pic of a roast dinner she had at her bf house and it had sweetcorn on it.

What is wrong with people

 

[Epona]

My daughter sent a pic of a roast dinner she had at her bf house and it had sweetcorn on it.

Yeah this is something I need to talk to my husband about too. Sweetcorn is his version of "and a few peas"

 

[AnnaKarpik]

Hey I'm sorry but potato croquettes? Aren't they confined to the children's menu?

 

[AnnaKarpik]

So the FEB model has stood the test of time as a robust and effective framework for debate.

There should be core ingredients, approved additions, and verboten items.

Plus a formula for how many of the first and second. The roast is, obviously, going to be more multi-dimensional than the FEB. So would add super core.

My starter for 10.

Super core

Roast meat or fowl. For debate, would this extend to veggie or vegan Roasts?

Roast potatoes.

Core

Peas
Carrots - boiled not mashed or crush
Yorkshire pudding
Cabbage
Cauliflower Cheese


Approved additions

Sausages
Stuffing
Pigs in blankets
Mash potatoes
Potato croquettes
Boiled potato
Crushed carrots
All other ‘proper vegetables’ ie not tomatoes
Mac and cheese - controversial I know but a key new addition down the Tobys

Verboten

Chips - like the Feb that makes it meat n chips
Meat in a stew or pie or tagine- all great things but no place here
Fish
Rice plain or part of something else- again great but not on the roast
Cheese
Fruit - with the exception of apple or cranberries in sauce

The gravy question- in my mind gravy is core, but I realise some animals out there don’t like if. Therefore it does not have to be a component to enable scoring but it’s lack will lead to marking down by sane people.



To qualify for scoring

Both Super core

Two core

At least two more from either core or approved additions.

Therefore minimum of meat and roast potatoes plus four items, not including gravy.

Anything from the verboten list means Did Not Finish DNF and so no score. However nice the meal may have looked or been.


This is my gift to the world.

For veggies and vegans there is usually a dish which substitutes for the dead thing and does not in any way detract from the roastdinnerishness of the meal. We could call it 'notdeadthing' but I don't think it's possible to be too definitive; our Winterval dinner was lentil, chestnut and mushroom pie (puff pastry topping). While I don't think lentils or mushrooms would qualify as acceptable veg, they make an excellent notdeadthing. Of course notdeadthing would have to be supercore.

Yorkshire pudding cannot be core, that's for roast beef only. And they are disgusting anyway.

Mac'n cheese and potato croquettes - just no, have them at a different meal.

 

[Gromit]

Core:
Roasted meat
Roasted potatoes (no other potatoes are needed or in fact desired as they are just an unwelcome distraction from the power and the glory that is the truly perfected roasted spud*)
Beef gravy (I don't care if it's poultry, beef or pork but the gravy should still be beef. Take that shallow tasting poultry gravy from my sight).

Elevates:
Cheese sauce (can be on cauliflower cheese, broccoli cheese, Mac n cheese or just poured over)
Bread sauce for an occasional change from cheese.
Decent stuffing. Crisp balls of stuffing. There should be caramelisation happening.

* Perfect roast spud

Marris pipers
Par boil
Scuff in colander
Dust with flour
Roast in a pan in a deep layer of pre-heated vegetable oil. Goose fat sounds super special but it's really unnecessary.

 

[Leafster]

A Sunday Roast must be carved from a joint or whole bird.

Yorkshire pudding must be served with beef but should not be seen with any other meat.
Beef should be accompanied with horse radish or English mustard.
Lamb must have mint sauce and pork must have apple sauce.
Turkey should have cranberry sauce but it's acceptable to have cranberry sauce with chicken.

Stuffing is acceptable with poultry or possibly pork.

Pheasant, goose or duck can also be served as a "roast".

All roasts MUST have roast potatoes. They can be supported with new potatoes (if in season) but potato mash should not be contemplated with any roast.

Vegetables should be in season but an attempt to have a variety of colours should be encouraged eg. Carrots, Cauliflower and some greens. There must be at least three vegetables.

Sprouts can be offered if in season but don't expect anyone to eat them. Therefore treat them as the fourth vegetable.

Roast parsnips should be included if they've been frosted before pulling.

Gravy should be made with meat juices and water from the vegetables and then thickened a little with plain flour (or cornflour for the gluten intolerant) and, if necessary a few drops of gravy browning can be added to deepen the colour slightly.

 

[AnnaKarpik]

My daughter sent a pic of a roast dinner she had at her bf house and it had sweetcorn on it.

But this is quite correct; you have to have something orange or yellow on the plate and if you don't have carrots, what else is going to go on?

 

[A380]

For veggies and vegans there is usually a dish which substitutes for the dead thing and does not in any way detract from the roastdinnerishness of the meal. We could call it 'notdeadthing' but I don't think it's possible to be too definitive; our Winterval dinner was lentil, chestnut and mushroom pie (puff pastry topping). While I don't think lentils or mushrooms would qualify as acceptable veg, they make an excellent notdeadthing. Of course notdeadthing would have to be supercore.

Yorkshire pudding cannot be core, that's for roast beef only. And they are disgusting anyway.

Mac'n cheese and potato croquettes - just no, have them at a different meal.

Happy to go with the veggie vegan centre piece as super core. Like your notdealthing label, but undeadthing would be cooler.

Croquettes are ace though...

 

[AnnaKarpik]

Happy to go with the veggie vegan centre piece as super core. Like your notdealthing label, but undeadthing would be cooler.

Croquettes are ace though...

Dunno mate, surely an undeadthing would fight back when you tried to eat it?

 

[Saunders]

There are 5 essentials
Roast meat/ bird/ nut-lentil thing
Roast potatoes
Dark green cabbage of some variety. Pale cabbage, broccoli, brussel sprouts don’t count, but purple sprouting broccoli does.
Orange, sweet vegetable, eg carrot or squash. Mashed swede or roast parsnip are really tier 2 vegetables but are acceptable in tier 1.
Gravy. Instant gravy is only acceptable if it's for vegans or veggies.

 

[Leafster]

Oh, roast potatoes and parsnip should be par-boiled, then shaken in the drained saucepan before roasting in hot oil to get the perfect soft on the inside crisp on the outside effect.

 

[Elpenor]

Never understood the obsession with roast dinners. Too heavy a meal for me. I expect I’ve never had a good one cooked for me though.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

You can stop this "Hashbrown edginess" fucking shit right here, right now

You've brought disharmony to the FEB thread with your hashbrown, and whilst I'll give you a pass on that one, on a roast dinner thread, tread cafefully my friend, for I fear that people won't be so tolerant of your little quirks and oddities

What's wrong with hash browns? They're little triangles of potato goodness.

 

[AnnaKarpik]

What's wrong with hash browns? They're little triangles of potato goodness.

Not everything that's delicious belongs on a roast dinner plate, though. Like eggs with mayonnaise, or sardines. Or croquettes or macaroni cheese ffs.

 

[telbert]

A roast dinner can be as simple or as extravagant as you want it to be. Christmas dinner this year was whole roast sirloin of beef medium rare, turkey crown and english leg of lamb ( sometimes we have goose & venison too). Decent roast potatoes cooked in beef dripping / goose fat, mashed potatoes, savoy cabbage, steamed carrots, sprouts, cauli and runner beans and massive home made yorkshire puddings. It took all morning to make and was beautiful. Served with rich meat gravy.
A week previously i was asked on the saturday to do some roast sunday lunches in the small bar i run the next day. So it was a bog standard chicken caned with lemon, garlic & thyme, roasted very quickly, Asda budget pork loin stuffed with fresh sage & red onion stuffing and another beef joint slow cooked in red wine and stock. Boiled the potatoes for as long as i dared and give them 40 mins full blast in the oven, steamed veg, precooked yorkies and gravy made from the meats. Didnt take long at all & it was really well received by all and requests for this to be a regular sunday thing ( which it will be from this week).
In fact writing this now, im tempted to do another chicken this way for tonight.

 

[Orang Utan]

it's just roast meat and some veg innit (or just roast veg for veggies). No need to get all daft about made up rules like the stupid breakfast thread. If you want mash, have mash. If you want a pie crust, have that too. If you insist on Yorkshire pudding even if there's no roast beef, have that too

 

[A380]

Core:
Roasted meat
Roasted potatoes (no other potatoes are needed or in fact desired as they are just an unwelcome distraction from the power and the glory that is the truly perfected roasted spud*)
Beef gravy (I don't care if it's poultry, beef or pork but the gravy should still be beef. Take that shallow tasting poultry gravy from my sight).

Elevates:
Cheese sauce (can be on cauliflower cheese, broccoli cheese, Mac n cheese or just poured over)
Bread sauce for an occasional change from cheese.
Decent stuffing. Crisp balls of stuffing. There should be caramelisation happening.

* Perfect roast spud

Marris pipers
Par boil
Scuff in colander
Dust with flour
Roast in a pan in a deep layer of pre-heated vegetable oil. Goose fat sounds super special but it's really unnecessary.

Massively overly simplistic and based entirely on your own prejudices with no consideration. that other views might be valid. Plus a weird (cheese sauce over everything) unsettling comment...

 

[A380]

it's just roast meat and some veg innit (or just roast veg for veggies). No need to get all daft about made up rules like the stupid breakfast thread. If you want mash, have mash. If you want a pie crust, have that too. If you insist on Yorkshire pudding even if there's no roast beef, have that too

Fuck off, that way lays anarchy and the pit of despair.

 

[magneze]

Any post mentioning cheese sauce needs reporting.

 

[magneze]

Cheesy leeks though. Yum.

 

[High Voltage]

Fuck off, that way lays anarchy and the pit of despair.

OU once again, playing to the gallery's

 

[Orang Utan]

OU once again, playing to the gallery's

fuck the rules! what gallery?

 

[High Voltage]

What's wrong with hash browns? They're little triangles of potato goodness.

Having read what you consider to be "normal for breakfast" fayre, I shall take any comment from you as to the appropriateness of Hashbrowns on a Sunday Roast with a sizeable pinch of salt and treat it with the contempt it deserves.

Not everything that's delicious belongs on a roast dinner plate, though. Like eggs with mayonnaise, or sardines. Or croquettes or macaroni cheese ffs.

Don't - honestly, it's not worth it - FBM will have had, at one time or another, either individually or in some nightmarish combination, all of what you mention for breakfast let alone on his version of a Sunday Roast

 

[magneze]

fuck the rules! what gallery?

Without rules pizza could be deemed roast dinner!

 

[Epona]

Cheesy leeks though. Yum.

 

[Orang Utan]

Without rules pizza could be deemed roast dinner!

i don't think pizza is roasted!

 

[Ax^]

Any post mentioning cheese sauce needs reporting.

hmm but people like cheesy coliflower for some reason