Strike!

[butchersapron]

as for damage see #1013, #1012 #1009 etc etc.

No, there are no examples of any damage in any of these posts. They're examples of assertion of damage that will be done - no argument as to why - nothing. I invite you again to offer some arguments as to how and why this damages anything.

 

[butchersapron]

lesson learned.

Yeah? Where?

And what did you learn?

 

[gunneradt]

Good advice off a winner.

ha ha from the ultimate loser - time to jump in the heroic car!!

 

[articul8]

I invite you again to offer some arguments as to how and why this damages anything.

It allows Cameron a convenient deflection mechanism that wouldn't otherwise have been open to him. I've never argued it was the end of the universe. But it was an avoidable mistake.

 

[butchersapron]

It allows Cameron a convenient deflection mechanism that wouldn't otherwise have been open to him. I've never argued it was the end of the universe. But it was an avoidable mistake.

How? Deflecting what? And yes you dud argue this was a sort of OMG this is horrible it might look bad on ed type hand-wringing.

So, these damaging ways, can you name them?

 

[butchersapron]

It allows Cameron a convenient deflection mechanism that wouldn't otherwise have been open to him. I've never argued it was the end of the universe. But it was an avoidable mistake.

Damn i needed this convenient deflection mechanism

 

[articul8]

I didn't ever argue that it was wrong because he might embarrass Ed. I said it was counterproductive in that it helped a PM who is widely seen as being unreasonable and ideology-driven in ramming through the Health Bill in turning the tables. Never said this would be a decisive move. But why hand your enemy anything at all when it's not needed?

You seem to be unable to appreciate that giving Cameron a media lifeline *is* damage, or at least potential damage. Of course the media/Tories will always have a pop at the unions. But you don't make it easy for them for no reason,.

 

[articul8]

Damn i needed this convenient deflection mechanism

he did! It was manna from heaven to Cameron

 

[butchersapron]

he did! It was manna from heaven to Cameron

Yeah, otherwise he was both stuck for things to big up and left supporting the unions.

 

[butchersapron]

Now, the damage done?

 

[articul8]

 

[butchersapron]

Nothing? Your whole argument against was on the damage that this would do and you cannot not only list the ways you can't come up with one. Not one. Except a roll eyes smiley.

 

[articul8]

the damage: headlines that are targetting LM not Cameron - this was not inveitable - self-inflicted wound

 

[butchersapron]

the damage: headlines that are targetting LM not Cameron - this was not inveitable - self-inflicted wound

Oh no, the headlines that would say the same thing anyway. The media and tories might say what they say esp different today.

Live the bubble. Become the bubble.


So, any actual damage apart from sun-tzu tactical expert media horror?

 

[articul8]

a) they wouldn't and b) the media helps to shape public opinion. It isn''t insignificant.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes they would and b) if you think people make their minds up on such crucial issues through what the papers (who always take a 100% anti-union stance) then you're a) an idiot and b) in the lap of these people, obsessed by the media forever. Not needed.

 

[articul8]

If people are automatically pre-disposed towards taking a pro-union, pro-class militancy line we wouldn't live in the kind of society we do.

 

[butchersapron]

No damage yet? Not even potential damage?

 

[butchersapron]

If people are automatically pre-disposed towards taking a pro-union, pro-class militancy line we wouldn't live in the kind of society we do.

If people made up shit they'd make up better shit than this. Wouldn't they?

 

[butchersapron]

Waiting on that list still...

 

[articul8]

The damage is there in terms of opportunities squandered to isolate and force Cameron onto the backfoot. I hope very much that this will be the extent of the damage. But either way, entirely avoidable.

 

[butchersapron]

The damage is there in terms of opportunities squandered to isolate and force Cameron onto the backfoot. I hope very much that this will be the extent of the damage. But either way, entirely avoidable.

Enumerate the opps.

 

[butchersapron]

Enumerate the opps.

(/conrad)

 

[articul8]

Was Cameron on the news defending his Health Bill from the criticisms of RCGPs, BMA etc - no. He was given a platform to bang on about union wreckers etc.

 

[butchersapron]

Was Cameron on the news defending his Health Bill from the criticisms of RCGPs, BMA etc - no. He was given a platform to bang on about union wreckers etc.

Oh no, not on THE NEWS - all is now lost.

 

[butchersapron]

Was Cameron on the news defending his Health Bill from the criticisms of RCGPs, BMA etc - no. He was given a platform to bang on about union wreckers etc.

You're the only one fool enough to go on that way. Where is this militant/soppy split?

 

[ViolentPanda]

lesson learned.

If only that were really the case, but experience leads me to believe it isn't.

 

[butchersapron]

If only that were really the case, but experience leads me to believe it isn't.

I did ask him, not a thing to make an echo.

 

[articul8]

Oh no, not on THE NEWS - all is now lost.

of course not. But wouldn't it have been better if Cameron is getting a good hiding even in the bourgeois press/media instead of being let off the hook?

 

[butchersapron]

of course not. But wouldn't it have been better if Cameron is getting a good hiding even in the bourgeois press/media instead of being let off the hook?

Yeah, then we're really rolling. Talk about serious disruption in a global event vs the bourgeois press/media having a tickle at cameron. You are out of your fucking depth. Resign.