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Stockwell Skate Park, Network Homes and the BRX/SO BRX development

ViolentPanda said:
I've got friends and relatives who've had to move out to Medway or further, and for what? So they can spend half their wages commuting back into London for work! It's a fucking joke! :mad:
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Only going to get worse: population will hit 11.3million by 2050, the Greater London Authority thinks.
 
Manter said:
Another 'landmark'. Seems to be the euphemism du jour for 'tall building'
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I do hope it gets the requisite edgy typeface:

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ViolentPanda said:
That's something we are going to see over and over again, as local authorities swallow another grant cut, and attempt to make up the loss through "innovative" money-generating schemes.
I wouldn't be so cynical about any of this if it were generating social assets, but it isn't, beyond supposedly-affordable housing (as opposed to social rent housing). My cynicism also leads me to wonder, given how well such development feeds into the vision of certain Labour councillors of shedding the "stigma" of Lambeth's social housing, whether there's a lot of nodding and winking going on in the planning dept and the council chamber.
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I would like to think not, but given the reports of what can only be described as an utterly shameful display in response to the cressingham question at last week's council meeting, I would have to say I share your cynicism.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Yep, the same old schtick used to justify demolition of everything from old terraced housing, to listed buildings, to entire motherfucking social housing estates.
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Like Sighthill in Glasgow. Used to have ten double high-rise blocks and lots of low-level 3 storey block, three primary schools, a nursery, local shops, sporty field and youth sporty centre, library, trees and grass and stuff (and the first astronomically aligned stone circle to be built for c.3000 years).

Fair enough, it's a 1960s built housing estate and is a deprived area and is not perfect but there are much worse places. Everything will be demolished, and - this is the interesting bit - of all the new housing and student accommodation and even a hotel to be built, the number of flats for social housing will be the amazing amount of 141.

Yes, 141. Not a typo. I suppose I shouldn't complain because I do get to live in one of the new flats when they are finished, but it strikes me as a very low number.
 
Fucking hell. How out of place is that?

The skate park is finished. It's not just about noise. It's the first time a skater stands anywhere near the front entrance. People "loitering" and upsetting new residents. The park will go within 3 or four years of the block opening.

Expect local news to have a "battle between skaters and residents" story within 18 months with a patronising piece from the Guardian pretending to take the skaters side.
 
I suspect that this development will mark the end of the skate park. I can't imagine that the shiny new shops and the 'active elderly' residents are going to hold back in their complaints about the noise and supposed 'disturbance' from skaters using the park at all hours.

*edit- I see me and Faveldo have just said the same thing!
 
Skaters are a pretty organised bunch. I think there'd be outcry if it was too close. It's very iconic.

I don't think the block is out of place. It's near the Rec and Blue star house. It's a question of housing for who exactly, does it have any genuine council flats in it?
 
DJWrongspeed said:
Skaters are a pretty organised bunch. I think there'd be outcry if it was too close. It's very iconic.
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The lot that used the southbank skatepark were very organised and good at getting the issue publicised - a bit different from this park admittedly
 
Doesn't this park have a protection thingy or something?

That was not remotely articulate but I remember reading someone on here was involved
 
I'm writing about this whole sorry scenario for the Buzz, I'd have finished it but then I saw this and I had a 35 minute phone call with Lambeth today so it's all changed again...

Lambeth Council own the skatepark. From 78 - 2008 It was simply viewed in their world as a playpark on a council estate. In 2008 Stockwell Park Estate was transferred from the council to Network Housing. The skatepark was supposed to be handed over with it (even though Lambeth had just spend c.250k on it), but it wasn't because for some reason Network were reluctant to take it or Lambeth were reluctant to give it. Either way the two were split then for the first time. One set of title deeds covers the whole estate, another covers the skatepark. The latter was always Lambeths but they forgot about the skatepark for 5 years during which time Network were supposed to manage it (they didn't). It was only when we made enquiries last November that Lambeth realised they did own it, In January this year they accepted that and the skatepark was made an Asset of Community Value. That means they have to give us first refusal on any land sale and more significantly it gives the skatepark some much needed status in these negotiations. We have been assured the funding will be found to fix the surface which has degraded significantly under Networks 5 year tenure as failed caretakers although how and when we do not know at all. We have also been assured the skatepark will be given further status as a Park & Open Space with Lambeth but that apparently needs a report first...
 
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' I suspect that this development will mark the end of the skate park. I can't imagine that the shiny new shops and the 'active elderly' residents are going to hold back in their complaints about the noise and supposed 'disturbance' from skaters using the park at all hours.'

We hope not... We've been in discussion about the new tenants signing a 'deed of easement' which would prevent any complaints of this nature. There is a precedent in the development next to Ministry of Sound. They can't complain about club noise. Other measures like triple glazing and no balconies are in effect in that case too. No pretending the culture won't change but we are on a mission to unsure Lambeth gives it's skateboarding facilities the much overdue respect they deserve.
 
FOSS said:
' I suspect that this development will mark the end of the skate park. I can't imagine that the shiny new shops and the 'active elderly' residents are going to hold back in their complaints about the noise and supposed 'disturbance' from skaters using the park at all hours.'

We hope not... We've been in discussion about the new tenants signing a 'deed of easement' which would prevent any complaints of this nature. There is a precedent in the development next to Ministry of Sound. They can't complain about club noise. Other measures like triple glazing and no balconies are in effect in that case too. No pretending the culture won't change but we are on a mission to unsure Lambeth gives it's skateboarding facilities the much overdue respect they deserve.
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I was going to ask if such a clause could be put in someone's contract but imagined it just never happened in a world where money is everything. That would be the answer if it's possible. Fingers crossed.
 
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' I think there'd be outcry if it was too close.'

It's very much too close. And too big. And totally without consideration. It is either the same distance or closer then the previous 4 storey council blocks and sure must have 100x as many windows facing it. Additionally they are developing the land between the skatepark and the block which served as a green barrier between us and them when them was hardly anyone, most that land which Lambeth simply gave them. It included two mature trees. They are removing this one small green space and replacing it with a concrete plaza and 100 extra flats.
 
Favelado said:
I was going to ask if such a clause could be put in someone's contract but imagined it just never happened in a world where money is everything. That would be the answer if it's possible. Finger's crossed.
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Thanks, we have one official very keen on making sure it does. Things are a way from completely settled. They have also been asked to consider the skatepark via S106 funding in light of the effect this development will have.
 
Lambeth will probably centralise that S106 funding into their core budget to meet other costs incurred due to central Govt cuts though...
 
I imagine the estate freehold is still Lambeths but I'd need to check that for sure and I don' have the estate deeds here. Regards the S106 they have been asked to consider this case specifically and asked for a specific sum so in theory at least if that ask is met the funding goes only to the skatepark.

Full tower horrors here: http://planning-docs.lambeth.gov.uk/AnitePublicDocs/00578040.pdf

Us here:

https://friendsofstockwellskatepark.com

https://twitter.com/skatestockwell

https://www.facebook.com/friendsofstockwellskatepark

https://instagram.com/friendsofstockwellskatepark/

[email protected]
 
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