Stephen Lawrence murder trial begins at Old Bailey

[Fedayn]

....... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15716320

Gary Dobson, 36, and David Norris, 35, both of south London, deny the charges.

 

[Pickman's model]

this will end well

 

[bi0boy]

this will end well

...allegedly.

 

[TopCat]

Lets let this run it's course eh? leave it 'till then.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Lets let this run it's course eh? leave it 'till then.

surely we can find something to argue about for the next two months until the verdict?

 

[eoin_k]

Is the one whose father had alleged links with the dodgy private detective from the hacking scandal in the retrial?

 

[William of Walworth]

Lets let this run it's course eh? leave it 'till then.

I agree with this, it's tempting to speculate and post stuff about the accused that we know from earlier, but doing that on here is chock full of risks ....

 

[Mrs Magpie]

.....and I so want justice not to founder yet again that I really feel I ought to close this, or bin it or summat. Nothing personal, Feds. It's for The Greater Good

 

[editor]

Thread reopened seeing as it's now being reported in the news.

Secret filming shown in court shows them to be a right pair of charmers:

David Norris bragged that he would 'skin a black ****' and 'blow their two arms and legs off', the Old Bailey heard today.
Norris, now 35, and Gary Dobson, 36, are accused of being part of a racist gang of youths who stabbed 18 year-old Stephen to death in Eltham, south east London, in April 1993...

One clip on December 14 1994 at 11.03p captured Norris as he said: "If I was going to kill myself do you know what I would do? I would go and kill every black c***, every Paki, every copper, every mug that I know.

"I am telling you, I am not talking about people I love and care for I am talking about people I don't like.
"I am telling you, then I would just go home and go boom straight in my head."

Moments later he added: "I would, I would go down Catford and places like that, I am telling you now, with two submachine guns and I am telling you I would take one of them, skin the black c*** alive mate, torture him, set him alight.

"I would blow their two arms and legs off and I say 'go on you can swim now'. They would be bobbing around like that.'
Norris also spoke about attacking a black man in a park, armed with a screwdriver and a bat.

"I started going on and called him a black c*** and all that saying he was a f***ing c**n.
"He was going "leave it out mate" so I went smack and punched the n***er like that."
Dobson is also caught on camera making repeated references to n***ers.
On December 18 while watching the television with his friend Neil Acourt he branded an advert racist.
He said: "Yeah look all the n***ers having a good time in the sun, all the white people getting gloomy at a bus stop.
"All the n***ers are having a good time at a bar drinking, a white fat bouncer, ugly c***, nice looking black geezer in a club having a good time and the f***ing white geezer all boring."

In another excerpt on the same day, he tells Acourt his "mate's daughter married a Paki for a grand to stay in this country" to which Acourt replies: "She deserves to be kicked up the c*** and chucked out the fifth floor window."
On the previous day, while watching the television show Gladiators, Dobson is heard to say: "Who are we f***ing rooting for here, a n***er or a copper?"

Acourt replied: 'We are just here to see them get bashed up by the f***ing Gladiators.'
In a further clip Dobson is seen walking about inside the flat with a large knife.

He also refers to a workmate as a "black c***" and said he threatened him with a Stanley knife during a row about a baseball cap.
Recounting the story on December 2 1994, he said: "That will do Mick before I end up f***ing cutting you."
He told Acourt his workmate was "black c*** but he ain't a n***er, a rude boy or nothing".
He added: "He is one of those n***ers who don't ever take his baseball cap off."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ed-saying-he-wanted-to-kill-black-people.html

 

[The39thStep]

Thread reopened seeing as it's now being reported in the news.

Secret filming shown in court shows them to be a right pair of charmers:

This has been around for a while , I am pretty much sure clips of it were used on a TV Programme many years ago and also in a previous court hearing.

 

[hammerntongues]

This has been around for a while , I am pretty much sure clips of it were used on a TV Programme many years ago and also in a previous court hearing.

It has , I can remember seeing the footage a few years ago , one of them was swinging a big sword around bragging of who he was going to chop . scary fuckers .

 

[Spymaster]

It has , I can remember seeing the footage a few years ago , one of them was swinging a big sword around bragging of who he was going to chop . scary fuckers .

Scary fuckers indeed.

I think these scum are incredibly fortunate not to have been extrajudicially "dealt with" during the intervening years.

 

[Gingerman]

Kinda ironic really,if they had been originally convicted all those years ago they probably would be out by now and woulda disappeared back into a life of well deserved obscurity.Stephen Lawerence would have been just another long forgotten victim.

 

[butchersapron]

Looks like we got a verdict.

 

[5t3IIa]

And? And!

 

[butchersapron]

It's either a verdict or off by 4.Just wait.

 

[5t3IIa]

LATEST:

Stephen Lawrence jury sent home for the day, will resume deliberations next Tuesday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

 

[AKA pseudonym]

LATEST:

Stephen Lawrence jury sent home for the day, will resume deliberations next Tuesday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

that doesnt sound so good imo.... jury must be split

 

[ddraig]

ffs

 

[5t3IIa]

that doesnt sound so good imo.... jury must be split

I'm not sure one can surmise that....

 

[Spymaster]

Bollocks.

 

[butchersapron]

that doesnt sound so good imo.... jury must be split

They've had no time between summing up and the 4pm cut off. It does suggest there's disagreement. Just a badly time thing i suspect.

 

[AKA pseudonym]

They've had no time between summing up and the 4pm cut off. It does suggest there's disagreement. Just a badly time thing i suspect.

im only hoping the disagreement is whether it was manslaughter or murder.....

 

[5t3IIa]

The jury don't get to decide that. They were charged with murder, under 'joint enterprise'. The jury can't pick what to find them guilty of - it's a yes or no answer.

 

[butchersapron]

The jury don't get to decide that. They were charged with murder, under 'joint enterprise'. The jury can't pick what to find them guilty of - it's a yes or no answer.

The jury can find guilty of manslaughter. That's the midway verdict, there but can't prove that you done it. Which is mostly likely IMO

 

[Spymaster]

The jury don't get to decide that. They were charged with murder, under 'joint enterprise'. The jury can't pick what to find them guilty of - it's a yes or no answer.

The judge can allow them the manslaughter option. He hasn't here?

 

[butchersapron]

The judge can allow them the manslaughter option. He hasn't here?

He has.

 

[5t3IIa]

Oh, can he? Please excuse me for not knowing what the fuck I'm talking about

@butchers -- can't quote on work PC

 

[AKA pseudonym]

The jury can reach three verdicts: guilty of murder, guilty of manslaughter, or not guilty.

Guardian

tbh: imo, I believe the judge has sown doubt in the juries heads

 

[butchersapron]

There's not going to be a guilty on either of them on this. The evidence is just not there.