Sports Personality Of The Year - Zara Phillips
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Dubversion said:
Bollocks yourself, Mr Chips!
Would you care to explain to me why the ONLY two people who have won three-day eventing Sports personality of the year awards are royal then?
The only other equestrian winner, David Broome, won his medal for show jumping - a different sport - in 1960.
So, the only two royals who have achieved sufficiently in sport to merit inclusion into the SPOTY shortlist have both won. Surprised?
Well fucking hell, that's a hell of a royal representation in the 52-year history of the event! You could even say that one in 25 winners are Saxe Coburg-Gothas.
This in turn leads one to either conclude an abiding love amongst the British public for 3 day eventing or, more likely, sufficient forelock tugging royalists willing to vote for their favourite parasite.
0/10 - couldn't do much worse.
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Relahni said:
I'd be interested to know how many of this list of winners are from N. Ireland, Scotland or Wales. A quick scan indicated that pretty much all of them are English.
This isn't meant to be sour grapes of any kind, more an observation of how much more difficult it is for a Celt to win the competition when the majority of voters are English.
It amazes me, for example, that none of the Welsh rugby team of the 70s got a look in in spite of the fact that names such as Gareth Edwards, Barry John and Mervyn Davies are still held up as some of the best players who have ever graced a pitch in any part of the world.
Ah well....
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yes i do fancy him, but i also appreciate what he has achieved. undefeated for near on ten years is no mean feat (omg, i know too much about boxingTank Girl said:it wasn't "sports personality that you fancy of the year"
) i also think there were at least three others that should have won ahead of the "i dont have a title " royal horsey rider
ricky hatton
beth tweddle
phil "the power" taylor....
Juice Terry
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Dai Rees, Mary Peters, Jackie Stewart, Barry McGuigan, Liz McColgan about 1 in 10, underrepresented but not massively so, going by respective population you'd expect about 1 in 6 to be non englishbendeus said:
theres even 2 canadians in there
Trouble is for a rugby player to win it they would have to win the world cup and there wasn't one back in the 70's. The Lions won the team award in 71 and 74 which would have included JPR, JJ, John, Edwards, Davies etc.bendeus said:
btw it was fucking criminal that Jonny Wilkinson won it instead of Martin Johnson
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Juice Terry said:Dai Rees, Mary Peters, Jackie Stewart, Barry McGuigan, Liz McColgan about 1 in 10, underrepresented but not massively so, going by respective population you'd expect about 1 in 6 to be non english
theres even 2 canadians in there
Trouble is for a rugby player to win it they would have to win the world cup and there wasn't one back in the 70's. The Lions won the team award in 71 and 74 which would have included JPR, JJ, John, Edwards, Davies etc.
btw it was fucking criminal that Jonny Wilkinson won it instead of Martin Johnson
Good point well made. Cheers, Juice.
The ryder cup team should have won the team prize, a greater achievement but a group of solo playing sportsmen dragged into playing as a team, a team that do not practice weekly or under close scrutiny... against a team that play constantly together and indulge in bonding techniques to gain an extra edge to the teamwork, who work and practice as a team...
Zara Philips, regardless of position in society proved to be a better rider than any other involved at the European and world championship level both as an individual and as a team player. The lenght of time in the saddle and the lenght of the event would leave a lot of other sports persons falling by the wayside. The ability to control a large animal and both move together as one over some very large obstacles requires a level of rapport not seen in other sports. The fitness level, from mucking out in the early hours, the early morning runs, the constant care and involvement ....
The boxer, how many rounds, for how long a round and how many punch themselves to a stand still..... at what ever level, and before any one gets all anty.. the amount of graft in boxing, the fight fixing and careful choice of opponents to arrive at a title fight have given the 'sport' of boxing a bad name. A clear and evident reasons not to vote for a boxer.
Golfers, just look at the fitness levels... yer right, trim waist lines, neatly down to correct weight..how was golf described, 'A good walk ruined' and dart players .. Ok, fat overweight spending most of their life in the local pub..
The three candidates for the top prize should have been the trio of ladies, Cooke, Tweddle and Philips... I watched the program with a group of friend s and it was conclusive that it should have been a female one two three....
Zara Philips, regardless of position in society proved to be a better rider than any other involved at the European and world championship level both as an individual and as a team player. The lenght of time in the saddle and the lenght of the event would leave a lot of other sports persons falling by the wayside. The ability to control a large animal and both move together as one over some very large obstacles requires a level of rapport not seen in other sports. The fitness level, from mucking out in the early hours, the early morning runs, the constant care and involvement ....
The boxer, how many rounds, for how long a round and how many punch themselves to a stand still..... at what ever level, and before any one gets all anty.. the amount of graft in boxing, the fight fixing and careful choice of opponents to arrive at a title fight have given the 'sport' of boxing a bad name. A clear and evident reasons not to vote for a boxer.
Golfers, just look at the fitness levels... yer right, trim waist lines, neatly down to correct weight..how was golf described, 'A good walk ruined' and dart players .. Ok, fat overweight spending most of their life in the local pub..
The three candidates for the top prize should have been the trio of ladies, Cooke, Tweddle and Philips... I watched the program with a group of friend s and it was conclusive that it should have been a female one two three....
The team prize should have gone to the Ryder Cup team, the fact that a group of solo playing sportsmen managed on this occasion to achieve a level of teamwork unsurpassed in the golfing fraternity to defeat the Americans. This is a team that does not meet weekly and practice teamwork, indulge in bonding routines to improve teamwork. The collective responsibility and effort as a team surpassed the closely-knit and carefully practiced group from the Rugby world.
Zara Phillips, regardless of your feeling of class and royalty, worked to win two championships, beating the best from the participating nations. Not only as an individual but also as a valued team member. You can be assured that none of team members would carry any individual incapable of sharing in the work ethos and fully participating in the team. The fitness level defies the commonly held opinion that you are reliant on the horse, a rapport must be achieved to perform at any level, and at world championship level, this is taken to even greater intensity.
Boxing, well, the level of match fixing, the choice of opponent to suit, the odds manipulation have all given the game of ‘ Boxing’ a bad name and the reasons for a lack of votes. The ‘our ‘enry’ image of boxing has damaged the overall integrity of the sport. The level of fitness between fights, another easy period, keeping trim but not fight fitness level.
Golfers, well, the level of fitness, yer right, and dart players, LOL. Nuff said. Just pass the lager.
The finalists should have been the three females, Phillips, Cooke and Tweddle, for dedication, fitness level and devotion to the sport.
Zara Phillips, regardless of your feeling of class and royalty, worked to win two championships, beating the best from the participating nations. Not only as an individual but also as a valued team member. You can be assured that none of team members would carry any individual incapable of sharing in the work ethos and fully participating in the team. The fitness level defies the commonly held opinion that you are reliant on the horse, a rapport must be achieved to perform at any level, and at world championship level, this is taken to even greater intensity.
Boxing, well, the level of match fixing, the choice of opponent to suit, the odds manipulation have all given the game of ‘ Boxing’ a bad name and the reasons for a lack of votes. The ‘our ‘enry’ image of boxing has damaged the overall integrity of the sport. The level of fitness between fights, another easy period, keeping trim but not fight fitness level.
Golfers, well, the level of fitness, yer right, and dart players, LOL. Nuff said. Just pass the lager.
The finalists should have been the three females, Phillips, Cooke and Tweddle, for dedication, fitness level and devotion to the sport.
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Descartes said:
So you don' consider the fact that both herself and her mother have won it is...errrr...a trifle unusual given that they're both royals?
Is it really so surprising? The SC-Gs have a habit being awarded spurious medals on a fairly regular basis after all.
As for your view on boxers. Calzaghe has taken all comers for a decade. He has also tried to get into the ring with those recognised to be the best. He has not ducked challenges, indeed many of the 'top' boxers in the world have done their absolute utmost to avoid him.
Simply because a sport has an element of corruption should not negate the achievements of individuals connected to that sport. Name a sport which you consider to be absolutely clean. By your logic participants from the world of football, cricket, snooker, athletics, boxing and horse racing should not have the chance of getting SPOTY as they may be tainted. A whole load of fun it would be voting for three day eventers and ostrich charioteers every year, eh?
Simply because a sport has an element of corruption should not negate the achievements of individuals connected to that sport
I love the ' by your logic' your method of assuming I might say something along those lines is absolutely spurious.
You have picked out one boxer to illustrate your point then condemn the whole royals bit... Now can I assume from ... LOL
Come on, you've got to better than that, a logical agrument about the boxer, he is a single sport participant, indulging in a form of self defence that goes back century, no team work needed, just pummel any one who gets into the ring, good reaction, good co-ordination and fit... attrubutes that are common to both sports, eventing and boxing, but and it's a bloody big but, he, the boxer, does not have to control a very large animal, work in the open, and contribute to a team. .. there are discinct differences and I firmly believe that however you present boxing, it is a tainted sport. This is not just on isolated cases but across the board, well ring... but I hope you now get the giest of my argument and don't assue that by an extension of a wierd process of logic can be applied to all sports sand/or sports persons.
Tye one two three should have been,,, Phillips, Cooke and Tweddle... now that does not mean I'm a feminists, a sex maniac or female... just a observer who beoieves that personal effort and endeavour over and above the normal call of etc etc should be rewarded.
I love the ' by your logic' your method of assuming I might say something along those lines is absolutely spurious.
You have picked out one boxer to illustrate your point then condemn the whole royals bit... Now can I assume from ... LOL
Come on, you've got to better than that, a logical agrument about the boxer, he is a single sport participant, indulging in a form of self defence that goes back century, no team work needed, just pummel any one who gets into the ring, good reaction, good co-ordination and fit... attrubutes that are common to both sports, eventing and boxing, but and it's a bloody big but, he, the boxer, does not have to control a very large animal, work in the open, and contribute to a team. .. there are discinct differences and I firmly believe that however you present boxing, it is a tainted sport. This is not just on isolated cases but across the board, well ring... but I hope you now get the giest of my argument and don't assue that by an extension of a wierd process of logic can be applied to all sports sand/or sports persons.
Tye one two three should have been,,, Phillips, Cooke and Tweddle... now that does not mean I'm a feminists, a sex maniac or female... just a observer who beoieves that personal effort and endeavour over and above the normal call of etc etc should be rewarded.
I'm not sure how I got two posts, I thought one had disapeared into the cyber spce then it appears out of order in which they were typed...
My apologies.
the fact that both mother and daughter have won, should we assume that the two Shumacher in Formula one finishing in a one two formation has other implication, Graham Hill and Damon Hill winning the F1 championship, hmmmm
The Andrettis, now who else?
Oh what web we weave when first we practice to decieve... Hmmm
My apologies.
the fact that both mother and daughter have won, should we assume that the two Shumacher in Formula one finishing in a one two formation has other implication, Graham Hill and Damon Hill winning the F1 championship, hmmmm
The Andrettis, now who else?
Oh what web we weave when first we practice to decieve... Hmmm
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Descartes said:
The Williams sisters. It is well bizarre how they are both so good at tennis.
Tee hee, consider the public vote, is there support for the Royal family after all?
We can all contribute to conspiracy theories but, on the night.. the person with the most votes won.
Now, if you had mentioned the timing and amount of time given to each candidate and the film sequence used.. then I would agree it ws not presented in a fair and equitable manner.... Nicola Cooke both the questions and the time ... shocking.. and I believve this robbed her of a better place.
We can all contribute to conspiracy theories but, on the night.. the person with the most votes won.
Now, if you had mentioned the timing and amount of time given to each candidate and the film sequence used.. then I would agree it ws not presented in a fair and equitable manner.... Nicola Cooke both the questions and the time ... shocking.. and I believve this robbed her of a better place.
ROFL, if there was a small 1 or 2 per cent difference as the winning margin, but 11.3%.... the total is only 0.7% less than the combined vote for second and third placed contestents.
Almost a third of all the votes cast, and you worry about the consistent ability of the riding fraternity, albeit, from a single family to win each time they have entered.
The thiree day eventing is considered one. if not the most difficult of sports and to excel, i.e, winning both European and World championship, requires a special dedication and ability to excel. You appear to fixate upon the fact one family has supplied two winners, but when consideration of the previous winner reveals not only winning the SPOTY, they won a GOLD medal at the Olympics that contributed to the selection as an entrant to SPOTY.
It's not about winning SPOTY but the incredible ability to win. Literally. To excel within a given sport and for both generation to dominate their chosen sport.
Almost a third of all the votes cast, and you worry about the consistent ability of the riding fraternity, albeit, from a single family to win each time they have entered.
The thiree day eventing is considered one. if not the most difficult of sports and to excel, i.e, winning both European and World championship, requires a special dedication and ability to excel. You appear to fixate upon the fact one family has supplied two winners, but when consideration of the previous winner reveals not only winning the SPOTY, they won a GOLD medal at the Olympics that contributed to the selection as an entrant to SPOTY.
It's not about winning SPOTY but the incredible ability to win. Literally. To excel within a given sport and for both generation to dominate their chosen sport.
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Descartes said:
I understand the point you are making, and your appreciation and understanding of a sport you obviously hold in high regard are evident. I do not, however, see that the point you are trying to make, nor the breathless piece of puff by (surprise surprise) The Torygraph that you linked are sufficient proof that the royalness of both Anne Horseface and Zara Horseface was not in any way a contributory factor to their winning SPOTY, just as I cannot absolutely prove that their royalness was the major factor in their victory.
Shall we agree to disagree?
