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SNP call for an extra year of Tory rule

Doesn't really indicate that the SNP have grasped the constitutional niceties of fixed term elections does it (i.e there is only provision for a two month postponement and only under rather strict conditions)? Which doesn't really bode well for a post-referendum independent Scottish constitution with a large SNP input.
 
belboid said:
I kid you not! Angus Robertson calls for parliament to be extended a year to fit in with the date Scotland would break away.

And he thinks that will help the case for devolution? What a moron.

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/angus-robertson-calls-for-delay-to-uk-election-1.160031
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Devolution from westminster is not the issue, they already have that. The issue is sovereign independence and national self determination , not some devolved powers.
And id have thought it pretty obvious that having tory proper as opposed to tory lite in power arguing against Scottish independence could only possibly alienate scottish voters even more and accrue more votes for it . Every time David Cameron opens his mouth on the issue strikes me as more votes for fuck off David Cameron
 
Fair enough on'devolution' but your other point doesn't hold up. The vote will already have taken place, so nothing Cameron says afterwards will make any difference. All this does is commit Scots to an extra years Tory rule. That can't help the SNPs case.
 
Fair enough, I accede to your point. But I honestly cant see much difference between tory lite and tory proper bar some personalities and accents. If Labour are in power 99 percent of the policies will be identical . Therefore an orderly transition to independence rather than in the midst of westminter musical chairs would seem to offer a bit more political stability. Which id assume would be in Scotlands interests . Bearing in mind that every last glitch will be seized upon and magnified as an example of how disastrous independence is for scotland .
Thats the type of thing that can seriously fuck up stuff like investment and credit ratings, and therefore economy . Even after independence it will be in westminsters interests to try and destabilise scotland and convince scots Independence is a disaster . A smooth handover seems a sensible enough position to take imho
 
I would like to point out the Courier is a TORY rag and always has been. I'd find another, more reliable source first. Not saying it's total bollocks but they have written such in the past. Always with an anti SNP slant. :hmm:
 
geminisnake said:
I would like to point out the Courier is a TORY rag and always has been. I'd find another, more reliable source first. Not saying it's total bollocks but they have written such in the past. Always with an anti SNP slant. :hmm:
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It is not the source though:

Speaking on the Week in Westminster, to be broadcast on BBC Radio 4, Mr Robertson said: “Will there be a UK general election in 2015?

“That is actually an issue for the UK Government to consider. I think there is a very good case for putting the UK general election back by a year.
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geminisnake said:
I would like to point out the Courier is a TORY rag and always has been. I'd find another, more reliable source first. Not saying it's total bollocks but they have written such in the past. Always with an anti SNP slant. :hmm:
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posted when I heard Robertson on the radio this morning, Courier was just the first Scottish source I could find online
 
Assuming that it's true then, I wonder why Robertson has chosen to come out with this now.

Can anyone remember better than I when the timetable was originally set out and agreed, and whether the SNP (or anyone else) mentioned the problem of the handover period clashing with the UK general election at that point?

He also seems to ignore the fact that those of us not lucky enough to be able to have the choice of breaking away from the Westminster govt at this referendum will end up being saddled with the existing govt for an extra year, but perhaps that's a sacrifice he's willing to make on our behalf...
 
It's been forced on them, after their timetable announcement. They clearly hadn't actually considered it at the time, and so have had to spend a few days thinking summat up.
 
andysays said:
Assuming that it's true then, I wonder why Robertson has chosen to come out with this now.

Can anyone remember better than I when the timetable was originally set out and agreed, and whether the SNP (or anyone else) mentioned the problem of the handover period clashing with the UK general election at that point?

He also seems to ignore the fact that those of us not lucky enough to be able to have the choice of breaking away from the Westminster govt at this referendum will end up being saddled with the existing govt for an extra year, but perhaps that's a sacrifice he's willing to make on our behalf...
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you could always move to scotland, claim refugee status and hope to be assimilated some day . Youd never have to deal with them again .
 
belboid said:
It's been forced on them, after their timetable announcement. They clearly hadn't actually considered it at the time, and so have had to spend a few days thinking summat up.
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Clearly...

Maybe if they're genuinely concerned about this issue, they'd agree to the counter-proposal of waiting until after the next UK GE (the date of which is limited by constitutional considerations of greater significance than this Independence timetable) before any discussions with the duly elected UK govt about Independence begin (assuming of course that the referendum brings the result they are hoping for).
 
Casually Red said:
you could always move to scotland, claim refugee status and hope to be assimilated some day . Youd never have to deal with them again .
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I'm certainly keeping open my option of choosing Scottish nationality over either English or rump UK, should it come to that, though I'm hoping that won't require me to actually change my current residence.
 
Casually Red said:
developing a tolerance for deep fried everything liberally coated in heroin dust might not sound immediately appealing, but it keeps both cold and the tories out .
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I think you're falling into the common mistake of assuming that stereotypes based on perceptions of everyone from Glasgow and/or Edinburgh (and I'm sure not true even of all of them) can be attributed to everyone from Scotland.

My family is actually from Aberdeen, so there are a whole other set of stereotypes which apply :rolleyes:
 
Casually Red said:
mmm...perhaps you should consider the likelihood of that
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I don't need to consider the likelihood of it, because it's there for all to see. Or are you really suggesting that saying that moving to Scotland would involve

Casually Red said:
developing a tolerance for deep fried everything liberally coated in heroin dust ...
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isn't indulging in tedious stereotypes?

I have no wish to persecute you as a result. You can simply own up to saying something a bit silly and we can all move on, but don't compound it by trying to pretend it didn't happen, that really would make you look stupid
 
andysays said:
I'll remember this exchage when you next get up on your high horse about something someone else has said.

Sure I won't have long to wait...
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OK , I apologise, honestly . Im sure the very last thing either of us would want is for you to take the needle, and maybe try to batter me or give me a smack . Ill come down off the horse .
 
andysays said:
I don't need to consider the likelihood of it, because it's there for all to see. Or are you really suggesting that saying that moving to Scotland would involve



isn't indulging in tedious stereotypes?

I have no wish to persecute you as a result. You can simply own up to saying something a bit silly and we can all move on, but don't compound it by trying to pretend it didn't happen, that really would make you look stupid
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Thanks for stopping me there. Id looked up Aberdonian stereotypes to see what they were and the internet said they were dour, dull unlikable people with no sense of humor whatsoever . Thanks to your intervention commonsense has prevailed and therell be not a glimmer of such unrealistic , tedious steretotypes on this thread, ever .
 
Casually Red said:
Thanks for stopping me there. Id looked up Aberdonian stereotypes to see what they were and the internet said they were dour, dull unlikable people with no sense of humor whatsoever . Thanks to your intervention commonsense has prevailed and therell be not a glimmer of such unrealistic , tedious steretotypes on this thread, ever .
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Yeah, that's the stereotype, but there are at least a few proper Aberdonians here who disprove that one as well, even if you think it applies to me.

Any way, I'm cooking my tea now, no deep frying or dusting of heroin involved...
 
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