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Now i never said motorists pay for the upkeep of the roads and cyclists dont. Be reasonable.
Side-by-side cycling
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SpookyFrank
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Whinging about the cost of parking without actually considering the value of city centre land, still less the far better uses to which that land could be put if they weren't too lazy to walk.
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
no, but you implied. you've been here long enough and read and participated in these tedious exchanges enough times, so it's rather strange of you to say 'cyclists don't pay road tax' unless you're being a slippery forktongue
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Do people whine about the cost of parking? Surely it's cheaper to just drop someone off and drive in circles until they're ready to be picked up.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
That's how it should be.
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Books, not bombs
"implied" and you bit.
I actually agree with a little of your post. Bored now, so I shall wish you a good nights sleep.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Exactly. What's the point of being superior if it's of no advantage?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
fuck off
maomao
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I just read that Telegraph article and it's awful. I don't mean objectionable it's just an awful grey turd of a piece of writing that barely makes sense. But as the usual paywall blockers aren't working on that article here it is hash tag . It will at least stop you posting bollocks for as long as it takes you to read it.
some Tory cunt said:What is it about the continued antipathy between car drivers and cyclists? A proposed update to Rule 66 of The Highway Code suggests that, on narrow roads, people cycling two abreast is by far the safest way to proceed.
That's all well and good, and I'm all for road safety whatever your preferred method of transport, but surely this proposal is likely to cause ire among car drivers who perceive that they are being baulked unnecessarily by apparently "road hogging" cyclists.
I'm coming at this from the viewpoint of keen cyclist and car driver, so naturally there are merits on both sides of the argument.
Do I want to avoid being killed while out for a leisurely cycle ride? You bet. The risks are relatively high as it is. But, if I'm in a car, do I want to be held up by a couple of Lycra-clad idiots impeding progress for apparently no reason? Surely that's just selfish.
Cyclists don't appear to help themselves by wearing predominantly black clothing CREDIT: Kati Jagger
This issue is particularly pertinent at this time of year when things get a bit gloomy – and why is there this seemingly unwritten rule that the majority of cycling apparel is unremittingly black?
Whatever happened to the "see and be seen" maxim that's one of the cornerstones of road safety?
Surely it's the responsibility of cyclists to ensure that other road users are aware of their presence. Horse riders appear to take this to heart when using public roads, so why not those who prefer pedal power?
Of course, riding two abreast gives a brace of cyclists greater visibility. The proposals suggest that riding alongside instead of single file is the safest way to proceed unless it's considered safer to revert to line astern to allow drivers to overtake.
Cyclists in urban area often benefit from bespoke cycle lanes, but narrow country roads present a whole new set of problems for riders and car drivers CREDIT: Sean Gallup/Getty Images
However, that argument fails to take into account the moral superiority of many cyclists, who seem to view anyone in a car as violating their inalienable right to proceed in any manner that they see fit, with apparently little regard for other road users.
Cyclists will always argue, and rightly so, that they are more vulnerable than a person seated in a motorised tin box, but my main concern is that such regulations will serve to further widen the divide between cyclists and drivers when we should all attempt to understand that we have an equal right to use the Queen's highway.
Unlike with the economic situation, as road users we really are all in this together so the sooner common sense and a bit (no, make that a lot) of consideration for others is applied, we're risking even greater divisions – along with the increased risk of serious injury or even death.
SpookyFrank
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Well on the one hand death, on the other hand (falsely) perceived inconvenience.
Tricky one, yeah.
Tricky one, yeah.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
neither are you with your fake goodnights
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There was a nice wide long straight road near me, a former Roman road in fact. Nice and straight and wide.
Anyway along came the cycle campaign group, and now both sides of the carriageway have been narrowed, and a slightly raised cycle lane installed on one side with red tarmac and a sloping kerb. The problem is that it has clearly been designed to encourage riding two-abreast, and for faster cyclists to overtake each other on it, but it's not wide enough for this. Together with the narrower traffic lanes you now see two-abreast cyclists being passed extremely closely by vehicles, especially buses etc, who now view it as a separated cycle track for which they don't need to make any overtaking manoeuvers.
Basically everyone would be better off if it was restored to a normal two-lane road with no cycle farcilities at all.
Anyway along came the cycle campaign group, and now both sides of the carriageway have been narrowed, and a slightly raised cycle lane installed on one side with red tarmac and a sloping kerb. The problem is that it has clearly been designed to encourage riding two-abreast, and for faster cyclists to overtake each other on it, but it's not wide enough for this. Together with the narrower traffic lanes you now see two-abreast cyclists being passed extremely closely by vehicles, especially buses etc, who now view it as a separated cycle track for which they don't need to make any overtaking manoeuvers.
Basically everyone would be better off if it was restored to a normal two-lane road with no cycle farcilities at all.
BigTom
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yes, shit cycle infrastructure is shit and makes things worse, not better.
I doubt the local cycle campaign group will have been happy with this. They will have argued for a proper cycle lane and this is what the council put it. I know from experience locally to myself that happens a lot.
I doubt the local cycle campaign group will have been happy with this. They will have argued for a proper cycle lane and this is what the council put it. I know from experience locally to myself that happens a lot.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Or maybe make the cycle lane a bit wider, add a proper raised kerb/barrier and lower the speed limit. Job done .
maomao
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What's the speed limit on the car bit of the road? Some cycle lanes are terrible but I'd rather use that than ride in traffic.
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No space apparently. There's trees and lampposts and mobile phone gubbins on the other side, so the road can't be widened, and the traffic lanes are already down to the absolute minimum width permitted.
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They were overjoyed, they even specifically campaigned to get the double cycle symbols added to encourage two-abreast cycling
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
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BigTom
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Honestly that surprises me, but perhaps I just have better campaign groups locally.
I do agree with both Bees and MaoMao though and from the picture you've posted I'm pretty sure I'd use this whilst moaning about how it needs a raised kerb and another 20-50cm? of width to really work properly.
SpookyFrank
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Without the two bike symbols that wouldn't be so bad. It's got the flat kerb as a sort of gesture towards proper segregation, and is probably wide enough for a bus or whatever to pass single-file cyclists without maneuvering round them, and for cyclists to keep a safe distance from both the kerb and the other traffic lanes.
It's entirely possible the symbols aren't intended to promote two-abreast cycling, and that the council just didn't have a stencil wide enough because they're used to putting in useless three foot wide cycle lanes.
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Yes, with a decent width and a raised kerb it would be a useful cycle track. I think the council just had the money which had to be spent, and the cycle campaign decided they ought to get on board with something, and this was the result.
Apparently a raised kerb was thought a bad idea because it would stop cars from getting out of the way of ambulances.
There‘s also nothing to prevent vehicles parking on it to make deliveries, which they do.
Really wish they hadn’t bothered. I had a go driving up the sloping kerb when the road was empty and you basically can’t even feel it in a car.
Its 30 mph btw.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
There‘s also nothing to prevent vehicles parking on it to make deliveries, which they do.
The same is true of pavements. Merciless enforcement and bone-crushing fines are the answer to this problem, in combination with legislation to ensure fair pay for delivery drivers so they don't end up losing money if they take the time to park properly.
IIRC the government recently snuck in a piece of legislation stating that local authorities, not police are responsible for enforcing the no parking in mandatory cycle lanes rule. I'll have to look that up and get back to you though.
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I meant literally nothing. It’s not a mandatory cycle lane because it has no solid white line. It’s not a pavement either so it’s legal to drive on it. It seems it’s perfectly legal to obstruct it with a delivery vehicle for loading purposes.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
If that was the case, they could have just painted one symbol in the middle of cycle lane, you daft fucker. 
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It was definetly to tell people that they ought to overtake within the cycle lane, although I can't find the tweet proving that atm.
Pickman's model
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over the past few weeks i've been counting the number of cyclists who pass me on my walk home, and the proportion of cyclists without any lights generally varies between 1/7 and 1/5: although today fully a third (27/80) of the cyclists who passed me weren't sporting any lights. of these 27 5 were deliveroo cyclists while any affiliations of the other 22 are unknown. only one of these cyclists (unlit) was on the pavement.
