shit MANarchists say

[frogwoman]

I don't think I've ever met a hermaphrodite human.

You almost certainly have met people with an intersex condition given that it's 1 in 20 of the population. Using "hermaphrodite" to describe somebody is well out of order btw, which is kind of the point I am making

 

[Fez909]

Horrible article on the Graun but it's partly relevant to this thread, so here ya go.

 

[8ball]

You almost certainly have met people with an intersex condition given that it's 1 in 20 of the population. Using "hermaphrodite" to describe somebody is well out of order btw, which is kind of the point I am making

I meant an actual hermaphrodite. With both male and female genitalia.

 

[ViolentPanda]

it isn't the fact of people wanting to break down gender barriers etc that is a problem. it is the fact that people use identity politics as a substitute for class politics (including people who use the working class as an "identity group".)

This is what has always squeezed my balls about identity politiics - that it's not about identity per se, which is a multi-faceted construct made up of fluid individual relationships and interpellations with people and positions, but rather about using a facet of one's identity as a bludgeon with which to beat one's way into a place on a heirarchy of oppression. That's an action that ultimately is the sine qua non of representation as an identity group, IMO.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I meant an actual hermaphrodite. With both male and female genitalia.

Patriarchist! Note how you say "hermaphrodite", and not "aphrodiherm"?

 

[frogwoman]

This is what has always squeezed my balls about identity politiics - that it's not about identity per se, which is a multi-faceted construct made up of fluid individual relationships and interpellations with people and positions, but rather about using a facet of one's identity as a bludgeon with which to beat one's way into a place on a heirarchy of oppression. That's an action that ultimately is the sine qua non of representation as an identity group, IMO.

Or worse, to beat that way into the place on behalf of others.

 

[Balbi]

"Community leaders", "speaking as a...."

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think the concept of not conforming to a gender binary would actually be regarded with quite a lot of stigma outside a certain activist milieu - loads of people refer to "trannies" and "hermaphrodites" and that sort of thing in everyday conversation.

Because we're part of a culture that is wilfully ignorant on matters of gender. That doesn't mean that things can't change.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

The dreaded Qualifier.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't think I've ever met a hermaphrodite human.

How would you know, unless they told you?

 

[butchersapron]

The dreaded Qualifier.

 

[frogwoman]

not really comfortable with that word being used on the thread - afaik its quite offensive isnt it?

 

[cesare]

You should have really fucked him over and recommended that he read some Storm Constantine.

Or Tepper.

I'm reminded of Mehdi Hasan's article last week in the New Statesman, and his subsequent crying in the Huff Post over the reaction to it. This picking and choosing of who gets autonomy over their own body, and in what circumstances (in that MH example, I can be a leftie and also pro-life - o rly?). I wasn't joking in my earlier comment about homosexuality, Frank. There were the same "why should they get special treatment, why can't they be normal" type comments then (and to a lesser extent now) that you seem to think it's OK to level at transgendered and intersex people.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Only if one was a negative gravity well.

Nope, equal and opposing gravity wells would cause kaboom!!! Equal and non-opposing would just result in cancellation. It must be true, I saw it on Stargate SG-1!!

 

[8ball]

How would you know, unless they told you?

By examining their genitals.

 

[8115]

Horrible article on the Graun but it's partly relevant to this thread, so here ya go.

I quite liked that article. I thought she made some good points.

 

[8ball]

Nope, equal and opposing gravity wells would cause kaboom!!! Equal and non-opposing would just result in cancellation. It must be true, I saw it on Stargate SG-1!!

But then opposing and non-equal would result in partial cancellation, causing the Earth to fly off out of the solar system when its gravity well is cancelled by the Sun's.

 

[ViolentPanda]

"Community leaders", "speaking as a...."

As I said (IIRC on this thread) a few weeks ago, hearing someone prefix whatever they were about to say with a qualifier used to send shivers through me back in the '80s. It meant you were in for a lecture on how that person's identity group was more oppressed than someone else's and therefor not only deserved the same considerations, but better ones too!.

 

[ViolentPanda]

But then opposing and non-equal would result in partial cancellation, causing the Earth to fly off out of the solar system when its gravity well is cancelled by the Sun's.

You say that as if it's a bad thing!!!

 

[Fez909]

I quite liked that article. I thought she made some good points.

I agree with the jist of the article, yeah. But the way it's written was appalling for a national newspaper. Suppose it was in CiF sooo...

 

[ViolentPanda]

By examining their genitals.

Mmm, because you live in a society, unlike the other posters on this thread, where genital examination upon meeting is common?

 

[8ball]

Mmm, because you live in a society, unlike the other posters on this thread, where genital examination upon meeting is common?

You people are so fucking uptight!

 

[8ball]

not really comfortable with that word being used on the thread - afaik its quite offensive isnt it?

Patriarchist?

I suppose so, but you don't need to fight my battles.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You people are so fucking uptight!

No, I just don't like blokes unzipping me and trying to grope my man-tackle!

 

[Vintage Paw]

You people are so fucking uptight!

Is this thread going to degenerate into a "PICS OR GTFO" argument?

 

[frogwoman]

As I said (IIRC on this thread) a few weeks ago, hearing someone prefix whatever they were about to say with a qualifier used to send shivers through me back in the '80s. It meant you were in for a lecture on how that person's identity group was more oppressed than someone else's and therefor not only deserved the same considerations, but better ones too!.

speaking as a parent ...

 

[Balbi]

Speaking as a paedophile

 

[frogwoman]

"oppressed" by the jimmy saville enquiry

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I agree with the jist of the article, yeah. But the way it's written was appalling for a national newspaper. Suppose it was in CiF sooo...

TBF it was originally written for the US website that she edits, so she's specifically talking about the people who post on there. It would be different in tone at least if written by anybody from the UK I think.

 

[Balbi]

"oppressed" by the jimmy saville enquiry

The priveliged non kid fucking bourgouise.