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  1. It’s one of the only opportunities* to meet with hundreds of other student activists doing amazing work, making connections for future info sharing, advice, collaboration, and pen pals!
  2. You see something really powerful about building broad connections between local, grassroots organizing efforts that share goals and principles but have unique tactics and flavors, and that span the entire country.
  3. You get to hear from dozens of seasoned, thoughtful organizers and professionals for advice on running campaigns, building your organization, working with media, understanding and defending your legal rights, and connecting with activists in Palestine.
  4. You have great ideas for how to build a decentralized, sustainable structure for SJP nationally that you’re dying to share.
  5. You really want to be in next year’s promotional video.
  6. You’ve wanted to learn more about how the political situation in Syria and the broader Middle East affects Palestine, the role of creative literary expression in political organizing, and how to draw connections between African-American, Latin@, and indigenous-American historical struggles and Palestine.
  7. You have invaluable lessons from your SJP’s experiences that other students should hear and think about applying to their work.
  8. Your SJP has been saying for a while that you want to make more of an effort to build relationships and coalition with other indigenous and racial justice groups on your campus like Native American, Latin@, African-American, and Asian-American organizations, and want concrete advice on how to do that.
  9. You’ve never been to Ann Arbor before and you love to travel.
  10. We cannot build our movement without you!!
You really want to be in next year's promotional video.
 
The emails I get from these guys (I'm still on their list after signing some online thing a few years ago) re a fucking goldmine of this stuff.
 
Blimey, it's bad enough getting the sodding 38Degrees emails every few days cos of inadvertently once signing a petition. That ^^^ would drive me spare.
 
When people talk about patriarchy and then it divulges into a complex conversation about the shifting circles of privilege, power, and domination -- they're talking about kyriarchy. When you talk about power assertion of a White woman over a Brown man, that's kyriarchy. When you talk about a Black man dominating a Brown womyn, that's kyriarchy. It's about the human tendency for everyone trying to take the role of lord/master within a pyramid. At it best heights, studying kyriarchy displays that it's more than just rich, white Christian men at the tip top and, personally, they're not the ones I find most dangerous. There's a helluva lot more people a few levels down the pyramid who are more interested in keeping their place in the structure than to turning the pyramid upside down.
Who's at the bottom of the pyramid? Who do you think are at the bottom of the pyramid who are less likely to scheme and spend extravagant resources to further perpetuate oppression? I think of poor children with no roads out of hell, the mentally ill who are never "credible," un-gendered or non-gender identified people, farm workers, modern day slaves...But, the pyramid stratifies itself from top to bottom. And before you start making a checklist of who is at the top and bottom - here's my advice: don't bother. The pyramid shifts with context. The point is not to rank. The point is to learn.

Ungendered my arse. Identification with a particular gender is not necessary, biology identifies your gender for you. If you choose to change your gender then good luck to you, but don't just go on about how society's labels don't fit you and you're far too interesting to be something so tiresome as a man or a woman. It's kind of insulting to those of us who are willing to accept that the fates have dealt us a particular hand and simply make the best of it.

And if you really think it's really that important for you to be recognised as the special thing you think you are rather than the ordinary thing you actually are, don't use it as an excuse to include yourself in a list of the most downtrodden and oppressed people in the world, for that is a cunt's trick. How can you be persecuted when the only people who know, or care, about the demographic you've invented for yourself are the people who place themselves within it?
 
to be fair transgendered people do face massive discrimination tho.

It's not transgender people I'm moaning about. It's these new people who think themselves beyond the twin gravity wells of human biology and social conditioning and thus immune to the very concept of gender.
 
Ungendered my arse. Identification with a particular gender is not necessary, biology identifies your gender for you. If you choose to change your gender then good luck to you, but don't just go on about how society's labels don't fit you and you're far too interesting to be something so tiresome as a man or a woman. It's kind of insulting to those of us who are willing to accept that the fates have dealt us a particular hand and simply make the best of it.

Is there something you want to tell us, Frank?
 
It's not transgender people I'm moaning about. It's these new people who think themselves beyond the twin gravity wells of human biology and social conditioning and thus immune to the very concept of gender.

I'm not sure who you're trying to describe. Being a trans person doesn't necessarily fit into preconceived notions of being born with male genitalia and changing to be a girly girl, or being born with female genitalia and changing to be a manly man. As with sexuality, it's a spectrum, and it's a complex issue that can't be reduced to a few simple criteria - and being told that they have to fit into a pre-defined binary is part of what's going to make people want to find others who can sympathise.
 
it isn't the fact of people wanting to break down gender barriers etc that is a problem. it is the fact that people use identity politics as a substitute for class politics (including people who use the working class as an "identity group".)
 
People can be disatisfied with the gender roles society allocates people with their genitals. I'm not the most "manly" man in the world, for example.

But I would not insist that this puts me on a par with "farm workers" as a victim of oppression.

There will be people who feel forced in the closet about this stuff, who feel their oppression more keenly than I do. Perhaps as an objective fact, perhaps not. It is tempting to say that at least some of these people are over-egging it.

Maybe the problem is creating a big tent in which anyone feels uncomfortable with their gender role is assigned the same status.
 
it isn't the fact of people wanting to break down gender barriers etc that is a problem. it is the fact that people use identity politics as a substitute for class politics (including people who use the working class as an "identity group".)

I think they are 2 issues that get conflated - so some people who are angry that identity politics gets in the way of class politics end up trying to deny the issues those practising identity politics are talking about altogether, rather than integrating it into something more useful. Which in turn simply means that those in various identity/minority groups will retrench their positions against what they see as an attack (which is actually often an attack anyway).
 
the conference actually looks like it has some good things on it but i wish they wouldn't say this kind of shit "social awareness into praxis"

Social awareness can only ever be praxis anyway.
Perhaps they're talking more about "theorising the transition of social awareness into praxis". After all, it's a favourite sport of the intelligentsia to theorise while all things fall apart. :)
 
Ungendered my arse. Identification with a particular gender is not necessary, biology identifies your gender for you. If you choose to change your gender then good luck to you, but don't just go on about how society's labels don't fit you and you're far too interesting to be something so tiresome as a man or a woman. It's kind of insulting to those of us who are willing to accept that the fates have dealt us a particular hand and simply make the best of it.

And if you really think it's really that important for you to be recognised as the special thing you think you are rather than the ordinary thing you actually are, don't use it as an excuse to include yourself in a list of the most downtrodden and oppressed people in the world, for that is a cunt's trick. How can you be persecuted when the only people who know, or care, about the demographic you've invented for yourself are the people who place themselves within it?

Gender isn't just about what sort of equipment you came packaged with, it's also about social roles - both those you might wish to fit, and those society forces onto you.
And the idea that there's more than just 2 mutually-exclusive genders isn't exactly a new and "fashionable" concept flocked to by by world-weary would-be aesthetes. It's at least as old as the paleolithic. It's not generally about being too interesting to fit to the standard binary coding, more about people throughout history having not found that either of the normative gender roles fits them.
Shit, India has an entire public subculture of people who refuse to pick either of the two available choices!
 
Just been watching a video with Norman Finkelstein in it where he makes some criticisms of the BDS movement and somebody accuses him of "privilege".
 
It's not transgender people I'm moaning about. It's these new people who think themselves beyond the twin gravity wells of human biology and social conditioning and thus immune to the very concept of gender.

Frank.

Twin gravity wells would cancel each other out. :p
 
I'm not sure who you're trying to describe. Being a trans person doesn't necessarily fit into preconceived notions of being born with male genitalia and changing to be a girly girl, or being born with female genitalia and changing to be a manly man. As with sexuality, it's a spectrum, and it's a complex issue that can't be reduced to a few simple criteria - and being told that they have to fit into a pre-defined binary is part of what's going to make people want to find others who can sympathise.

You should have really fucked him over and recommended that he read some Storm Constantine. ;)
 
Gender isn't just about what sort of equipment you came packaged with, it's also about social roles - both those you might wish to fit, and those society forces onto you.
And the idea of more than 2 mutually-exclusive genders isn't exactly a new and "fashionable" concept flocked to by by world-weary would-be aesthetes. It's at least as old as the paleolithic. It's not generally about being too interesting to fit to the standard binary coding, more about people throughout history having not found that either of the normative gender roles fits them.
Shit, India has an entire public subculture of people who refuse to pick either of the two available choices!

I think the concept of not conforming to a gender binary would actually be regarded with quite a lot of stigma outside a certain activist milieu - loads of people refer to "trannies" and "hermaphrodites" and that sort of thing in everyday conversation.
 
I think they are 2 issues that get conflated - so some people who are angry that identity politics gets in the way of class politics end up trying to deny the issues those practising identity politics are talking about altogether, rather than integrating it into something more useful. Which in turn simply means that those in various identity/minority groups will retrench their positions against what they see as an attack (which is actually often an attack anyway).

well said.
 
I think the concept of not conforming to a gender binary would actually be regarded with quite a lot of stigma outside a certain activist milieu - loads of people refer to "trannies" and "hermaphrodites" and that sort of thing in everyday conversation.

I don't think I've ever met a hermaphrodite human.
 
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