Secretary of State for Education, Nicky Morgan, gets DESTROYED on Newsnight

[Pickman's model]

Im not going to pretend I'm not happy about the big rises to the minimum wage and the tax free allowance.

with the negatives taken out

 

[LeslieB]

with the negatives taken out

Oh FFS. I'm happy about both of them, because they benefit both me and others. Clear enough?

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh FFS. I'm happy about both of them, because they benefit both me and others. Clear enough?

i'll leave the 'not's in then

 

[LeslieB]

You can be a right pedant on occasion Pickman's.

Look Pickman's pedantry aside, the bottom line is Labour promised to raise the minimum wage to eight quid an hour by 2020. The Tories won and they are going to increase it to nine.

That's the inconvient truth, however you slice and dice it.

 

[Pickman's model]

You can be a right pedant on occasion Pickman's.

yes

Look Pickman's pedantry aside, the bottom line is Labour promised to raise the minimum wage to eight quid an hour by 2020. The Tories won and they are going to increase it to nine.

That's the inconvient truth, however you slice and dice it.

why is it inconvient?

 

[two sheds]

with the negatives taken out

But universal affirmatives can only be partially converted (all of Alma Cogan is dead, but only some of the class of dead people are Alma Cogan).

 

[LeslieB]

why is it inconvient?

Because the Tories have done something to benefit the poor. Indeed more than Labour were planning to do.

For those on the left who consider the Tories to be next to vermin, that must be awkward, surely?

 

[Pickman's model]

Because the Tories have done something to benefit the poor. Indeed more than Labour were planning to do.

For those on the left who consider the Tories to be next to vermin, that must be awkward, surely?

not really, no. next thing you'll be telling me auld bismarck was something of a socialist for the introduction of social welfare in germany.

 

[Pickman's model]

But universal affirmatives can only be partially converted (all of Alma Cogan is dead, but only some of the class of dead people are Alma Cogan).

only some of the class of alma cogan is dead; other alma cogans are available.

 

[two sheds]

schroedinger's alma cogan in a box

 

[Pickman's model]

schroedinger's alma cogan in a box

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[krtek a houby]

Because the Tories have done something to benefit the poor. Indeed more than Labour were planning to do.

For those on the left who consider the Tories to be next to vermin, that must be awkward, surely?

They harm they have done to the poor, not just during this administration, far far outweighs any so-called benefit.

 

[LeslieB]

They harm they have done to the poor, not just during this administration, far far outweighs any so-called benefit.

Sure. I'm not here to defend previous Tory administrations or even the current one.

I'm just saying it isn't as simple as just saying Tories=scum. It's much more complicated than that.

 

[Pickman's model]

Sure. I'm not here to defend previous Tory administrations or even the current one.

I'm just saying it isn't as simple as just saying Tories=scum. It's much more complicated than that.

no it isn't

 

[sim667]

Look Pickman's pedantry aside, the bottom line is Labour promised to raise the minimum wage to eight quid an hour by 2020. The Tories won and they are going to increase it to nine.

I thought that was only for over 25's?

 

[stethoscope]

Look Pickman's pedantry aside, the bottom line is Labour promised to raise the minimum wage to eight quid an hour by 2020. The Tories won and they are going to increase it to nine.

Living Wage, not Minimum Wage. And that's only for the over 25s. Under that it's still the Minimum Wage.

But, offset by quite a lot of cuts too.

Not that I would expect Labour to have done much different, but then they can fuck off frankly too.

 

[treelover]

This thread needs my daughters t shirt
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No holding back, who is that made by?

 

[Miss-Shelf]

No holding back, who is that made by?

My daughter made it with iron on letters!

 

[andysays]

Sure. I'm not here to defend previous Tory administrations or even the current one.

I'm just saying it isn't as simple as just saying Tories=scum. It's much more complicated than that.

It isn't correct to just say Tories=scum, but I don't think saying politicians of all parties are scum is that much more complicated, TBH

 

[LeslieB]

I thought that was only for over 25's?

Yes it is unfortunately.

Which will benefit neither under 25s nor older workers.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Because the Tories have done something to benefit the poor. Indeed more than Labour were planning to do.

For those on the left who consider the Tories to be next to vermin, that must be awkward, surely?

No. Because the rise in the minimum wage is more than offset by the ongoing cut backs and increased restrictions on tax credits. Its a purely political cunts trick. Performed by tory cunts.

 

[brogdale]

No. Because the rise in the minimum wage is more than offset by the ongoing cut backs and increased restrictions on tax credits. Its a purely political cunts trick. Performed by tory cunts.

It's purely a macro-economic sleight of hand as the consolidator state seeks to remove welfare expenditure from the books by bribing capital to pay slightly raised wages in compensation for large cuts in corporate taxation.

 

[LeslieB]

It's purely a macro-economic sleight of hand as the consolidator state seeks to remove welfare expenditure from the books

I don't think it is terribly radical to suggest that full time workers should be paid enough to meet their own needs without needing to claim welfare.

*Of course* we should continue to pay benefits to low earners with dependent children, etc.

 

[brogdale]

I don't think it is terribly radical to suggest that full time workers should be paid enough to meet their own needs without needing to claim welfare.

*Of course* we should continue to pay benefits to low earners with dependent children, etc.

Try reading what you've written there, have a good think about it...and see if you can discern why it's self-contradictory.

 

[LeslieB]

Getting back to the original subject, I'm not sure she was "destroyed". I've watched the whole thing now I',m back on the broadband at home and I'm far from convinced it constitutes being "destroyed".

A rough interview, maybe, but nothing worse.

 

[LeslieB]

Try reading what you've written there, have a good think about it...and see if you can discern why it's self-contradictory.

No, I can't.

 

[brogdale]

No, I can't.

How about we cross through some of the words? That might make it more apparent.

I don't think it is terribly radical to suggest that full time workers should be paid enough to meet their own needs without needing to claim welfare.

*Of course* we should continue to pay benefits to low earners with dependent children, etc.

Which of those do you actually agree with?

 

[Pickman's model]

Getting back to the original subject, I'm not sure she was "destroyed". I've watched the whole thing now I',m back on the broadband at home and I'm far from convinced it constitutes being "destroyed".

A rough interview, maybe, but nothing worse.

she did do better than you'd have done

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes it is unfortunately.

Which will benefit neither under 25s nor older workers.

so you think it will benefit neither under-25s nor over-25s.

 

[LeslieB]

How about we cross through some of the words? That might make it more apparent.

Which of those do you actually agree with?

Both. Full time workers should- at an absolute minimum- be paid enough for themselves to live on. But we should continue to pay things like child benefit to those with more mouths to feed than their own. I don't see what is contradictory about that.