Second round of arrests this evening re: wedding

[Pickman's model]

I have a low tolerance for moronic dickheads like you

what do you hope to achieve with that sort of post?

 

[dylans]

what do you hope to achieve with that sort of post?

Get fucked pickmans. You have been trying to pick a fight with me for days. I'm not playing so get fucked

 

[Pickman's model]

Get fucked pickmans. You have been trying to pick a fight with me for days. I'm not playing so get fucked

if i'd wanted to pick a fight with you, i'd have picked one with you on the libya thread.

as it is, your constant sniping about how i'm such a cunt for not crying over the awful prospect of a day in custody for someone who in my view richly deserves it, that's where the fuckwittery's been coming from - you.

you ignore that knight's going to coin it in over this little incident. you ignore that he and his acolytes have purported to speak for anarchists for months now. you seem to know nothing of the man. a day in a cell? i think most people can handle that. to reiterate, it's not the end of the world.

 

[revlon]

Sure about that are you? I opposed the banning orders at the time for exactly the reason I gave above. Because the next to be issued with banning orders will be the left. Fuck solidarity with fascists. They are the political enemy. Knight is not. He is a dickhead but he is not my enemy. However I have always been opposed to state bans on any political organisation including fascists. If they were facing arbitrary arrest I would be opposing it. It is for communities to organise against fascist movements not to rely on the state to fight for them.

Refusing to defend knight is sectarian bollocks. Refusing to defend him because you don't like his political approach is just cutting your own throats. You think Knight is part of the problem. I think the SWP is part of the problem (and lots of other groups too) but I wouldn't celebrate their arrest because I don't like them. If they can do it to one of us they can do it to us all.

I'm not entirely sure i know what you mean when you say sectarian. I'm not entirely sure you know what you mean when you say sectarian. The only person celebrating chris knight's arrest is chris knight, who will be dining out on the incident for many years to come.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

Glasgow outside do interfered with by Scottish plod: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-13241657

 

[dylans]

frankly i would have liked being where knight is now. there's money in them thar cells, enough to live on for at least 3 months. don't you get it? if you had your way neither chris knight nor camilla nor patrick would be up for a nice little earner. as it is, patrick's done bloody well out of the cops over the years.

Reducing this down to whatever payout they may get is completely besides the point. There is a creeping tendency (greatly increased by labour incidentally) for the state to stamp on basic principles of expression and speech. Principles that have been hard won. There was a story in the guardian a couple of months back about a kid who got knicked at an anti scientology demonstration for holding a banner that said "scientology is a cult" The word cult was cause for arrest. This sort of political pre emptive policiing of dissent is increasing and it is a small step before demonstrations are routinely banned and politically motivated arrests for objectionable opinions become the norm. By trivializing this stuff you are assisting it.

 

[Pickman's model]

Reducing this down to whatever payout they may get is completely besides the point. There is a creeping tendency (greatly increased by labour incidentally) for the state to stamp on basic principles of expression and speech. Principles that have been hard won. There was a story in the guardian a couple of months back about a kid who got knicked at an anti scientology demonstration for holding a banner that said "scientology is a cult" The word cult was cause for arrest. This sort of political pre emptive policiing of dissent is increasing and it is a small step before demonstrations are routinely banned and politically motivated arrests for objectionable opinions become the norm. By trivializing this stuff you are assisting it.

by making such a big deal out of it you're playing into the hands of the state. shit happens. always has, always will. if you're going to get involved with revolutionary politics then you shouldn't cry when the police do what the police do. it's not as though what happened here has never been done before in this country, and indeed often more harshly in the 6 counties. it's when it comes near your little comfort zone that you get a bit shirty about it. and for someone who whined that he's not playing you're doing a fucking good imitation of playing. fucking man up.

 

[dylans]

I'm not entirely sure i know what you mean when you say sectarian. I'm not entirely sure you know what you mean when you say sectarian. The only person celebrating chris knight's arrest is chris knight, who will be dining out on the incident for many years to come.

And Pickmans

Originally Posted by dylans
The arrested Chris Knight too according to that blog

Pickmans
good.

I know exactly what sectarian means and refusing to show solidarity with others under attack simply because you don't like their politics is sectarian. It is no different to me celebrating if the SWPs "Marxism" gets raided. Fuck em. They are part of the problem.

 

[Pickman's model]

I know exactly what sectarian means and refusing to show solidarity with others under attack simply because you don't like their politics is sectarian. It is no different to me celebrating if the SWPs "Marxism" gets raided. Fuck em. They are part of the problem.

it has nothing to do with chris knight's politics, it has everything to do with chris knight's practice. stick that up your jaxi and smoke it.

oh, and it would be foolish to celebrate marxism getting raided as it would mean ulu, birkbeck, the institute of education et al would be unlikely to rent rooms to lefty / anarchist groups again.

 

[dylans]

you ignore that knight's going to coin it in over this little incident.

Because it's irrelevent. The arrest is an indication of what is in store for us all.

you ignore that he and his acolytes have purported to speak for anarchists for months now

Irrelevant. The SWP claim to speak for the working class. I despise them but I would stand with them if they faced this kind of harassment.

you seem to know nothing of the man.

Irrelevant. He's a twat. Twats have rights too. You're a twat too but I would speak out for you too if you were arrested for no reason.

i think most people can handle that. to reiterate, it's not the end of the world.

no its not. One day it might be worse and by then it will be too late. Because when it began idiots like you chose to snigger instead of taking it seriously.

by making such a big deal out of it you're playing into the hands of the state. shit happens. always has, always will. if you're going to get involved with revolutionary politics then you shouldn't cry when the police do what the police do.

you shouldn't roll over and take it either. Worse you shouldn't celebrate it because you happen to not like the people it is happening too. As I said I don't like you either but i wouldn't cheer if you were arrested for no crime either.

 

[Pickman's model]

Because it's irrelevent. The arrest is an indication of what is in store for us all.



Irrelevant. The SWP claim to speak for the working class. I despise them but I would stand with them if they faced this kind of harassment.



Irrelevant. He's a twat. Twats have rights too. You're a twat too but I would speak out for you too if you were arrested for no reason.



no its not. One day it might be worse and by then it will be too late. Because when it began idiots like you chose to snigger instead of taking it seriously.



you shouldn't roll over and take it either. Worse you shouldn't celebrate it because you happen to not like the people it is happening too. As I said I don't like you either but i wouldn't cheer if you were arrested for no crime either.

you wouldn't cheer because i don't make a fuss about things like that. didn't see me whinging on here about it when it happened to me last year, did you?

 

[revlon]

And Pickmans





I know exactly what sectarian means and refusing to show solidarity with others under attack simply because you don't like their politics is sectarian. It is no different to me celebrating if the SWPs "Marxism" gets raided. Fuck em. They are part of the problem.

okay so not liking someone's politics = being sectarian.

Chris knight's politics seemed to be all over the shop, the problem though is with his media persona, the stories he's fed to the press, all of which i urge you to read, especially the things he is actually quoted as saying, and how that impacts on what the police use to justify their actions. He thinks he's being clever and funny, fine, he gets to spend the night in a cell and another dinner party talking point.

The question really should be what kind of solidarity was chris knight showing when he went to the press and told them what the anarchists will be doing on royal wedding day?

 

[Pickman's model]

but answer came there none.

 

[dylans]

okay so not liking someone's politics = being sectarian.

Don't be so willfully stupid. you are better than this and you know it.

 

[dylans]

The question really should be what kind of solidarity was chris knight showing when he went to the press and told them what the anarchists will be doing on royal wedding day

no this should not be the question at all. I'm sure he's a class A twat. The question is is it acceptable for the state to arbitrarily arrest people who have committed no crime solely on the basis of their legitimate political views?

 

[laptop]

okay so not liking someone's politics = being sectarian.

Has anyone shouted about something being "a witchhunt" yet?

 

[Pickman's model]

Has anyone shouted about something being "a witchhunt" yet?

no, but we'll do it according to the book when they do. i have my copy of the malleus maleficarum to hand.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

http://whitechapelanarchistgroup.wordpress.com/

fair enough, chris knight isn't responsible for ALL the arrests. but he's certainly contributed to an atmosphere which the media and police can use to justify their actions.

more like it.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Has anyone shouted about something being "a witchhunt" yet?

a game of hunt the witch breaks out!!!

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Person dressed as zombie: 'On what charge am I being arrested?'

Cop: 'Conspiracy to commit satire'

 

[toblerone3]

Did Chris Knight get arrested. He probably enjoyed it. Good thing too. Being arrested was probably much better for his image than sucessfully executing the unimaginative piece of amateur dramatics that he probably had his mind on achieving.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I must admit I kind of agree with Pickman's here. What exactly did anyone expect the state to do in such circumstances? It seems oddly naive to get upset about it. We don't live in a properly free state, but did you really think we did? And the sad truth is that there is probably a majority of people out there who would rather see a few people locked up for a night than risk having their precious spectacle spoiled.

There it is – it is an odd and often ridiculous world. And anyone who really was planning to disrupt a show like this ought to keep bloody quiet about it beforehand. It's a case of picking your fights too. Disrupting this thing achieves nothing from what I can tell. Do it for a giggle, for sure, but not with some pretence that it is a meaningful political act.

 

[dylans]

I must admit I kind of agree with Pickman's here. What exactly did anyone expect the state to do in such circumstances? It seems oddly naive to get upset about it. We don't live in a properly free state, but did you really think we did? And the sad truth is that there is probably a majority of people out there who would rather see a few people locked up for a night than risk having their precious spectacle spoiled.

There it is – it is an odd and often ridiculous world. And anyone who really was planning to disrupt a show like this ought to keep bloody quiet about it beforehand. It's a case of picking your fights too. Disrupting this thing achieves nothing from what I can tell. Do it for a giggle, for sure, but not with some pretence that it is a meaningful political act.

When the state starts pre arresting people ahead of future demonstrations will you use the same argument? What exactly did anyone expect to do in such circumstances? A mass demonstration against cuts, war, tuition fees (add cause here) was planned and it seems oddly naive to get upset about it. We don't live in a properly free state, but did you really think we did? And the sad truth is that there is probably a majority of people out there who would rather see a few people locked up for a night than risk having their precious streets disrupted by demonstrators.

There it is – it is an odd and often ridiculous world. And anyone who really was planning to demonstrate against this war, those cuts or whatever ought to keep bloody quiet about it beforehand. It's a case of picking your fights too. Demonstrating against cuts, war, (add cause here) achieves nothing from what I can tell. Do it for a giggle, for sure, but not with some pretence that it is a meaningful political act.

Practice this speech well because if our response to the infringement of our freedoms on this occasion is shrugged shoulders then expect similar action in future. It's not just about idiots like Knight either. hundreds of people have been locked up, hundreds of homeless people have been swept out of sight, squats and activist locations raided and hundreds of facebook pages suspiciously removed. Every attack on our civil liberties should evoke outrage or before you know it this kind of action will become the norm whenever the state deems it necessary

 

[revlon]

When the state starts pre arresting people ahead of future demonstrations will you use the same argument? What exactly did anyone expect to do in such circumstances? A mass demonstration against cuts, war, tuition fees (add cause here) was planned and it seems oddly naive to get upset about it. We don't live in a properly free state, but did you really think we did? And the sad truth is that there is probably a majority of people out there who would rather see a few people locked up for a night than risk having their precious streets disrupted by demonstrators.

There it is – it is an odd and often ridiculous world. And anyone who really was planning to demonstrate against this war, those cuts or whatever ought to keep bloody quiet about it beforehand. It's a case of picking your fights too. Demonstrating against cuts, war, (add cause here) achieves nothing from what I can tell. Do it for a giggle, for sure, but not with some pretence that it is a meaningful political act.

Practice this speech well because if our response to the infringement of our freedoms on this occasion is shrugged shoulders then expect similar action in future. It's not just about idiots like Knight either. hundreds of people have been locked up, hundreds of homeless people have been swept out of sight, squats and activist locations raided and hundreds of facebook pages suspiciously removed. Every attack on our civil liberties should evoke outrage or before you know it this kind of action will become the norm whenever the state deems it necessary

you're dying to say 'first they came for the street theatre...' arent you

 

[dylans]

you're dying to say 'first they came for the street theatre...' arent you

I was thinking along the lines of "first they came for the annoying idiots" .....actually.

I will leave the last word to Jody McIntyre

In the latest step towards the increasingly Orwellian police state we find ourselves living in, the police seem to have used the occasion of the royal wedding as a kind of ‘free-for-all’. Special powers granted for the day mean that any pro-democracy activists attempting to demonstrate can be arrested and removed immediately. Not only that, but the preceding week has seen police conducting raids on social centres and housing up and down the country, with “stolen goods” being cited as one of the reasons

Other pro-democracy activists have been arrested at their homes in “pre-emptive strikes”; why would you be arrested for intending to peacefully demonstrate your political belief in democratic rule rather than monarchical rule in a democratic society?

Earlier this week, several students were charged for taking part in the student demonstrations, including Alfie Meadows, who was charged with violent disorder. The name struck a particular chord, because I immediately remembered the photographs of Mr. Meadows lying in hospital after the injuries he sustained at the demonstration. Alfie needed emergency brain surgery to save his life. All of the students charged this week were banned from entering the City of Westminster, where the royal wedding is taking place, for a period of five days. No trial or sentencing necessary. Just enough time for a nice ceremony without those pesky troublemakers getting in the way

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011...emonstrators-before-the-demonstrations-begin/

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm not defending it at all. Fight the arbitrary powers to do such things, for sure. I just don't get the surprise. A royal wedding is many things – a spectacle to entertain the masses in part, but also a demonstration of exactly who it is that is in charge. Attack these undeomocratic powers. Condemn these orders for sure. But also remember who these arbitrary powers are really targetted against. There are real issues with civil liberties in the UK, but a royal wedding is not the place to fight for them, I don't think, not because of any kind of deference but because it is likely to be counterproductive. Let the royalists have their stupid spectacle. You can't change anything on a day like that.

 

[CyberRose]

If I stood in the middle of Wednesday's kop and started singing the Greasy Chip Butty Song I'd be hoping the police arrested me before all the Wednesday fans got to me, so maybe these people were arrested 'for their own safety'?!

 

[stuff_it]

When the state starts pre arresting people ahead of future demonstrations will you use the same argument? What exactly did anyone expect to do in such circumstances? A mass demonstration against cuts, war, tuition fees (add cause here) was planned and it seems oddly naive to get upset about it. We don't live in a properly free state, but did you really think we did? And the sad truth is that there is probably a majority of people out there who would rather see a few people locked up for a night than risk having their precious streets disrupted by demonstrators.

There it is – it is an odd and often ridiculous world. And anyone who really was planning to demonstrate against this war, those cuts or whatever ought to keep bloody quiet about it beforehand. It's a case of picking your fights too. Demonstrating against cuts, war, (add cause here) achieves nothing from what I can tell. Do it for a giggle, for sure, but not with some pretence that it is a meaningful political act.

Practice this speech well because if our response to the infringement of our freedoms on this occasion is shrugged shoulders then expect similar action in future. It's not just about idiots like Knight either. hundreds of people have been locked up, hundreds of homeless people have been swept out of sight, squats and activist locations raided and hundreds of facebook pages suspiciously removed. Every attack on our civil liberties should evoke outrage or before you know it this kind of action will become the norm whenever the state deems it necessary

+1 There is no way you can wash this up white

 

[revlon]

If I stood in the middle of Wednesday's kop and started singing the Greasy Chip Butty Song I'd be hoping the police arrested me before all the Wednesday fans got to me, so maybe these people were arrested 'for their own safety'?!

extending a bit further if you said in the press weeks leading up to the match that all the sheffield united fans were gonna turn up and take the end, that the business crew were packing their stone island with claw hammers and catapults which then gets reported as fact in the tabloids would you expect any form of 'solidarity' from the fans or firms you neither know or belong to when you get nicked for it?

 

[laptop]

I see no-one "washing this up white".

Just some people saying "hey, Kristallnacht this is not"

And not especially motivated to form an instant defence committee for Dr Fake Menstruation.