Athos
Well-Known Member
He's a cunt.
Sadiq Khan coming up from London to call half the electorate racists
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Just looking at it now.
Quite a lot from people who are not white, too, I suggest.
However, if Claire Heuchan is able to state as fact that it was "disproportionate", then I suppose she has done a big serious survey about it which I am sure she will publish in full.
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Nah, I reckon they have been buried because it's what lots of places with nasty histories have done or tried to do. Not good, very bad, and it shouldn't have happened.
It is not sensible, though, to blame that only on independence supporters. Perhaps Glasgow City Council, and prior to that, Strathclyde Regional Council and prior to that, Glasgow Corporation (or whatever it was called - my computer going to slow for me to Google to check) ought to take a fair bit of the blame. Oh dear no! Surely the Labour Party would not have permitted such a state of things.
I tried to ignore the Commonwealth Games stuff as much as possible, but I do seem to recall that this very issue was raised, which was a step forward.
(Hitting "send" now, 'cos of internet or computer slowness. Might be back)
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19sixtysix
Life as viewed from a Gay Gorbals Garret
As a London based Scots that voted for him (not that there was a lot of choice) I ain't impressed. His words show he knows nothing of scotland. It's a different country and feels like it. The mentality is different up home and I like it. I'm unfortunately stuck here with my job for a uk institution that I can't work for in scotland cause my jobs been outsourced and given my age I can't take any more lack of pension if i could find a position with it at home.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I would imagine that there are quite a lot of white people in the SNP. All obviously naturally racist by being white.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
All it really highlights to me is the pretty fundamental difference between nationalism in Scotland and England - Something that the English/Anglos either fail to understand and end-up tarring us with their own brush, or more worryingly, deliberately try to misuse and/or exploit for their own benefit.
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pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
There are even a few English people too..! Some of whom have been members for decades.
Oh, I don't know much about the "mentality" thing, but I think it would be quite nice for Scotland to be able to decide tiny wee things like getting into a war or not, like employment law, nationality & immigration law, all tax, social security, energy policy etc. I don't really see why Sadiq Khan thinks it's all right to call me Donald Trump or a right-wing racist because of that.
Anyone who can seriously think of the SNP as being close to National Front or UKIP must be extremely deluded or very very ignorant.
I know it's often wise to think of a cock-up rather than a conspiracy, but or your two choices, the latter one might be the more correct.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Yet I've seen that a lot in the run-up to the Ref - and I'm seeing it almost back to the same levels again post Brexit vote.
One part of me thinks - "Fine, fuck-em - they are turning more people against them than they'll ever gain" but another feels they are also doing their very best to destroy any meaningful political engagement - on all levels.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Or Humza Yousaf, or Aamer Anwar, or Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh...
And Mike Russel in Bromley.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Wouldn't have mattered .Anyone who is black but doesn't have views that doesnt fit with the Guardians idea of what black people should be thinking isn't properly black.
I'm not qualified to comment on that, really.
But Claire Heuchan seems to be some kind of Ph.D. student expert in racism (Stirling University), and I suppose it was convenient for her to change the discussion into one that involves issues that she probably address often.
However, Sadiq Khan's speech seem less intent on telling Scotland that we're horribly racist against people of colour, than on telling us that we want to be horrible to everyone English.
He is so very much missing the point, that - oh it has been said already - I have to wonder if it is only incompetence.
The Labour Party used to be able to rely on a big majority of seats in Scotland, but people sort of noticed that Scotland voting Labour didn't stop us getting Tory governments anyway, so it's a bit distressing for the Labour Party not to have that any more.
Slight tangent - I saw a small rumour on Twitter that the speech was written by Anas Sarwar, who might, I suppose, have his own reasons for finding it ok to let this completely overshadow the whole conference and render anything Kezia Dugdale had to say completely unnoticeable.
But a twittery rumour doesn't carry any weight, and I'm not sure why Sarwar would want Dugdale's job right now. I suppose, if the May elections don't go well for Labour, he might fancy being leader and that he will somehow be the saviour of the party and the Union.
Sort of like Jim Murphy, who did so well.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I am very disappointed to see that "this discussion is closed for comments".
I thought I would comment on the whole Scotland & slavery thing. With stuff like this article. Demands for Scotland to repay its slave debt to Jamaica
She would have like it, I am sure, but what when she learned that the guy pictured on the bridge, Graham Campbell*, is in favour of independence? Previously SSP, then Rise, he's now SNP.
* He's sort of English/Jamaican/Scottish. Well, he has lived in Glasgow for ages, so I reckon he's Scottish.
They made such lovely red coffee mugs saying vote Labour for Controls on Immigration, didn't they?
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Yes Scottish Nationalism is rarely of an inward and hostile nature. Could England ever have the same feeling? Throw off its own yoke? Could we live as good 'nationalist' neighbours?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Blind leading the bland
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Yep, which casts rather a different slant on her article doesn't it 
quite a good answer to her here
Let’s talk about racism in Scotland
quite a good answer to her hereLet’s talk about racism in Scotland
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Yep, which casts rather a different slant on her article doesn't it
Let’s talk about racism in Scotland
Very good.
Argonia
Happy go licky
Fucks me off, not fucks me of
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Indeed. I must have overlooked the fact that Scotland belongs to the Scottish National Socialist Party now.
It doesn't of course, the sane majority voted down the destroyers the last time, and if the poison dwarf calls another referendum, she will lose again.
Of course, like her predecessor, she will vow to keep going even if she loses, and then, quit before 9AM, like her predecessor did.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
FFS India has a population of over a billion and a quarter, Pakistan has a population of 821m. Bangladesh the smallest fragment of the disintegration of what was India, has a population of 156m, nearly three times that of the UK.
Scotland has a population of just over 5m, and is not a viable nation on its own. Well, not if you want to have exotic things like schools, roads etc.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
What an excellent article.
Of course the SNSP will no doubt refute the 'Glasgow Tobacco Barons' as being nonsense.
I can well recall, my father telling me about the somewhat murky history of Glasgow, when I was a boy.
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