butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yep. The fear of legal challenge - out of date names etc.
Royal Mail sale around the corner?
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Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
I sometimes wonder about Tory MPs and whether what they say is deliberately false or whether they're so well indoctrinated that they believe their own shite. Did anyone see this question come up on question time last night? There was a bit where two or three of the panel were talking over each other and I heard Justine Greening say 'Yeah, and with privatisation we can all own it.' We already fucking own it you daft bint! Surely she knows this already and is just pushing the neo lib propaganda that private is best, we can all own a piece and blah de fucking blah or perhaps she just doesn't see it that way and thinks state owned = tax payers being mugged? Perhaps it's a little from column and a little from column b but I found her comment absurd, I was more surprised that not one person challenged it.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
I'm sure I've posted this up before, but I do love a bit of graphage, and this one seems relevant.
Basically, if you fail to invest in public industries, you reduce your revenue flows and in turn add to the deficit. This is what annoys me about the the whole debate surrounding public spending; whether or not borrowing to spend is bad depends on what you spend that money on (just imagine a business that refused to borrow money to expand production; it would most likely fail). I mean fuck, business folk are constantly complaining about how the banks aren't lending, and the Tories want to make it easier for people to get mortgages. Just goes to show how privatisation is pure ideology rather than sound economics.
eta: my rudimentary understanding of national accounting might make this entire post a load of old cobblers. Criticism welcome.
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You are joking?, 500'000 signed the Smith live on 71 pounds petition that was hosted there
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Wasn't that on change.org?
I remember my dad (a Tory voter) shouting that at the TV when Thatch announced the first privatizations.
My Dad said:
don't tell Sid – warn him
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
tony.c
Well-Known Member
The strike action being balloted on by the CWU was never about stopping privatisation, although one result of industrial action might be to make buying shares less attractive to potential buyers.
The purpose of the proposed industrial action is to secure ongoing guarantees on pensions, wages, and terms and conditions of staff.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Read it as if i had put an 'a' before strike. And like it or not, the posties are seeing the ongoing ballot as clearly a vote on how to respond to privatisation - that is, guarantees on pensions, wages, and terms and conditions of staff.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Labour say we can't say they will renationalise as well. Read that as saying they won't and thank you to the lib-dems and tories for doing what we tried but failed to do.
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Bad bad move, as logistics and deliveries in the age of internet buying is gonna be one of the biggest potential growth areas.
The Royal Mail was in a prime position to invest and already has the best infrastructure to capitalise on this.
Now all the money which would have been reinvested will go straight into shareholders pockets and customers will be mugged for a ever declining service.
See buses, trains, water, energy all over inflated prices for customers and declining service.
It's all so thoroughly depressing and benefits so few people I can't see why it KEEPS fucking happening.
Politicians (of any colour it seems) are fucking raping the fuck out of this country for their own personal gain.
The Royal Mail was in a prime position to invest and already has the best infrastructure to capitalise on this.
Now all the money which would have been reinvested will go straight into shareholders pockets and customers will be mugged for a ever declining service.
See buses, trains, water, energy all over inflated prices for customers and declining service.
It's all so thoroughly depressing and benefits so few people I can't see why it KEEPS fucking happening.
Politicians (of any colour it seems) are fucking raping the fuck out of this country for their own personal gain.
Yes, it's THEFT. Politicians dance to the tune of their money-juggling-parasite puppeteers.See buses, trains, water, energy all over inflated prices for customers and declining service.
It's all so thoroughly depressing and benefits so few people I can't see why it KEEPS fucking happening.
Many of these strategically important utilities are controlled by foreign interests now, so we can probably add Treason to the charge-sheet too.
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The trouble is the vast majority out there don't care, they live in a daydream thinking it is not their problem.
I currently work in a place where young men in their twenties and thirties will be looking forward to buying Royal Mail shares to add to their portfolios, for fuck's sake they are like me, tuppenny shit maintenance workers.
They cannot/will not listen to my case, they are more concerned about their share options than their children's education and welfare.
Thatcher's legacy, there is no such thing as society and they care only for themselves. Diabolical.
I currently work in a place where young men in their twenties and thirties will be looking forward to buying Royal Mail shares to add to their portfolios, for fuck's sake they are like me, tuppenny shit maintenance workers.
They cannot/will not listen to my case, they are more concerned about their share options than their children's education and welfare.
Thatcher's legacy, there is no such thing as society and they care only for themselves. Diabolical.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
was collecting a parcel for ma last week and asked the blokey if he was in the union and if he would vote to strike if balloted. His response was 'Yeah I am but whats the point, they always sell us out anyway'
to which I had no pithy reply whatsoever. I did say that as a customer I think service is good if the workers are treated right and even if its just token he should strike. There was a queue tho so I didn't pursue that particular piece of agitation.
to which I had no pithy reply whatsoever. I did say that as a customer I think service is good if the workers are treated right and even if its just token he should strike. There was a queue tho so I didn't pursue that particular piece of agitation.
SikhWarrioR
And the Worms ate into his brain
Unfortunately we will never get anywere in stopping spivisation by relying on the three main parties as they are now just different sides of the same bankster/fatcat friendly coin and have been for decades 
In the US, the Post Office is protected by the constitution. The so-called "postal clause" which gives Congress the implied authority to carry, deliver, and regulate the mails of the United States as a whole. The kind of ideologues who would privatise everything tend to regard the constitution as a kind of holy relic and notwithstanding the palaver of getting it changed tend to leave well alone. Without a written constitution, Parliament can pretty much do what it likes which is unfortunate for the Royal Mail. Interestingly (for me, at least), the Post Office here will be unaffected by the latest shenanigans on the Hill. All its funding comes from the cost of postage.
Declining traffic! FFS! These people have no idea. As the high street becomes internet street who is in the best place to capitalise on delivery? And they paid this loon 1.6 million
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
So who's buying shares then? Looks like private investors will only be getting £750 plus one seventh of what they asked for due to over-susbscription.
Where's me coat?
The continued rolling-out of the thatcherite 'dream'. All those sacked posties as shareholders. Who says she's dead?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
eventually there will be nothing left to sell except the army and the police
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
I liked Evan Davies' dig on Today about the flotation being all about rewarding tories (as the majority of their supporters are able to afford the £750 punt). Hearing Cable's pathetic justifications for this IPO was also entertaining -but only insofar as it reminding me just how utterly fucked the libdems are going to be come the next GE....
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Elements of which have already been sold off (mostly training and logistics so far).
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