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Rosetta space mission - Philae probe due to land on comet on 12th Nov 2014

When's the actual landing scheduled?

On Wednesday (12 Nov) separation of orbiter and lander will occur at 09:03:20 UTC (signal arrival in earth time frame*) during a 94 second window (ie could occur up to one and half minutes later and still be within limits). Philae will take farewell shots of Rosetta but these won't be available until some time after 1200UTC as Rosetta won't be able to start downlinking data until 1053UTC (navigation/engineering/sequencing data will have priority).

The lander is planned to touch down at 16:02:20 UTC (signal arrival in earth time frame*). Mission managers have said they hope to be able to circulate images within one or two hours (the data bit rate is a little under 30kbps - recall this mission hardware is actually early 90's vintage).

However they are allowing for touchdown at any time, due to a number of variables, in a window 40 minutes either side of the planned landing time. Due to the distance the entire sequence is automated and there is no human intervention/decision making involved once the final GO is given (0735UTC on the day).

* one way light time on the day will be 28m20s
 
On Wednesday (12 Nov) separation of orbiter and lander will occur at 09:03:20 UTC (signal arrival in earth time frame*) during a 94 second window (ie could occur up to one and half minutes later and still be within limits). Philae will take farewell shots of Rosetta but these won't be available until some time after 1200UTC as Rosetta won't be able to start downlinking data until 1053UTC (navigation/engineering/sequencing data will have priority).

The lander is planned to touch down at 16:02:20 UTC (signal arrival in earth time frame*). Mission managers have said they hope to be able to circulate images within one or two hours (the data bit rate is a little under 30kbps - recall this mission hardware is actually early 90's vintage).

However they are allowing for touchdown at any time, due to a number of variables, in a window 40 minutes either side of the planned landing time. Due to the distance the entire sequence is automated and there is no human intervention/decision making involved once the final GO is given (0735UTC on the day).

* one way light time on the day will be 28m20s
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ESA Rosetta Mission managers report that Philae was successfully loaded with all the landing sequencing information this afternoon and is ready to go.

It's quite exciting to think we're only two days away from potentially landing on a comet. Human ingenuity is ace. :cool:
 
All still running to plan. Philae didn't fully wake up on schedule last night so was rebooted as a precautionary measure but is reported to be powered up and working correctly now. Rosetta's velocity was fine tuned by 3mm per second and a final orbit determination should be made about 1930 tonight when the first GO/NOGO is given for proceeding to the lander release.
 
All still running to plan. Philae didn't fully wake up on schedule last night so was rebooted as a precautionary measure but is reported to be powered up and working correctly now. Rosetta's velocity was fine tuned by 3mm per second and a final orbit determination should be made about 1930 tonight when the first GO/NOGO is given for proceeding to the lander release.
Shit, I hope Philae isn't running windows!!
 
I am exceedingly excited by this.

Just bear in mind that earlier in the year, prior to the nucleus being discovered to be 'duck' shaped, when it was assumed that it was probably some sort of irregular sphere of some description, the mission manager, Fred Jansen, reckoned that the chance of a successful landing was around 70-75%... I think it is rated at about 50% now.
 
Just bear in mind that earlier in the year, prior to the nucleus being discovered to be 'duck' shaped, when it was assumed that it was probably some sort of irregular sphere of some description, the mission manager, Fred Jansen, reckoned that the chance of a successful landing was around 70-75%... I think it is rated at about 50% now.
It does make me wonder how they will orient the lander wrt the comet so that it comes down on the target area which is itself moving. Kudos if they manage it.
 
It does make me wonder how they will orient the lander wrt the comet so that it comes down on the target area which is itself moving. Kudos if they manage it.
A momentum flywheel on the lander provides stabilisation and reference (6.2 Nms at 9600 rpm). The magnetometers will also be used as a cross check. They have also been carefully mapping the gravitational field so can model where the lander will be at any time after a known starting position.

e2a: The single cold gas thruster (+z up direction only) can also be employed for correction though is primarily to counter rebound at touchdown. Philae may purposefully put itself into a slow rotation during the descent if a slight axis offset is picked up (to null such arising from gas drag in the coma).
 
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A landing simulation earlier:

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First GO given (for trajectory - on target). Next is due at midnight (for the final release sequence upload).
 
That's a pretty amazing level of control :eek:

The range error to the orbiter is around 1 metre and the error on the rate of change of range is on the order of 0.1 mm per second (ie with reference to Earth).

The positional error in the plane of the sky, however, is typically a few km. But this isn't quite as bad as it sounds since the position of the comet itself in the solar system isn't known to that degree of accuracy (prior to rendezvous it was maybe 100km or so).

Ultimately a combination of radio distance, angle and rate finding, orbital modelling and positional measurement through optical navigation with reference to the overall position of and individual features on the nucleus is used to position Rosetta and hopefully bring the lander Philae down to within a few hundred metres of the intended location (though landing descent rate, orbiter visibility for data uplink and position for radio science are somewhat greater concerns).
 
a few hundred meters does not sound so great ...

eta: so it could be 300m above the surface and think it was about to touch down? or does it have a proximity sensor for the actual landing?
 
a few hundred meters does not sound so great ...

eta: so it could be 300m above the surface and think it was about to touch down? or does it have a proximity sensor for the actual landing?

The few hundred metres is the landing error ellipse on the surface of the comet. The lander won't end up x metres above the surface because it will just keep descending until it reaches the surface - at which point the lone on board thruster will help pin it to the surface, then the two harpoons will fire to draw it in closer, before the ice screws bolt it down (unless the surface is really soft, in which case it should hopefully settle down sinking up to the baseplate of the craft). The various science experiments on board (including a camera) will contribute to determining whether it has reached the surface.
 
Yes, exciting, and wrt the landing, we will know soon enough ..

Hard to get a sense of scale on those images ..
 
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