Didnt take long for the snobbery to rear its head.
Roger Waters self indulgent twat / not self indulgent twat
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Snobbery it is not. How is it snobbery?
It’s just exasperation at repetition of ideas
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Is he being snobby?
There's many many people who don't go beyond the music they listened to in their teens and twenties. You see them on YouTube comments; their generation had the best music and everything since then is shit. How there's no decent music anymore etc.
It's ok to feel nostalgic, but to dismiss stuff outside the comfort zone is kind of spiteful.
Fwiw, I love to discover old and new. In any music genre. It's ok to feel comfortable but why limit your musical experience?
I literally don’t care about what art others appreciate or not and their reasons.
You said that. It’s just weird to cast judgements like that I think.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
It’s weird not to really
Went to a Moray Firth xmas Party last night! there was live music from a band that included a sax player. i spoke to her about what her favourite solo piece was. She couldn't really say, but did mention Dark Side of the Moon. it quickly became obvious she was a massive massive Floyd fan. She spoke of a Floyd Tribute band from either Australia or New Zealand (cant remember which, several single malts were interfering 
) apparently she will travel just about any where to hear them, most recently Glasgow! Unfortunately not a single Floyd piece was included in the set, which was actually heavy with wildly appreciated 60s 70s 80s xmas pop songs. People loved it, if the numbers dancing is anything to go by. my point here is that there is no room for snobbery when considering musical genres - however they are categorised. people enjoy what they enjoy, and fuck those who snootily peer down their noses feeling sorry for those who have failed to fully update their tastes.
) apparently she will travel just about any where to hear them, most recently Glasgow! Unfortunately not a single Floyd piece was included in the set, which was actually heavy with wildly appreciated 60s 70s 80s xmas pop songs. People loved it, if the numbers dancing is anything to go by. my point here is that there is no room for snobbery when considering musical genres - however they are categorised. people enjoy what they enjoy, and fuck those who snootily peer down their noses feeling sorry for those who have failed to fully update their tastes.They’re actually called Australian Pink Floyd.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'm with you on that. Like what you want and feel good about liking what you want (obligatory 'except Screwdriver....'). My own tastes are a bit stuck I must say. After spending my 30s trying out jazz and classical, I've found myself returning to 70s and 80s rock, punk and, gulp, even prog. Something akin to the idea you develop food tastes in early life. I'm not exactly unaware of the decades of music since then, but have a different kind of engagement with it.
Retires to Werther's Originals.
i hoped we would find a meeting of minds eventually Wilf. Music is extraordinary in its capacities aint it? i, like you enthusiastically greet quite a lot of more modern singers and songs - and it never fails to surprise me who i might enjoy next. Listening to a good deal of Sufjan Stevens recently, which has qualities i couldn't describe. Similarly Neutral Milk Hotel. Of course they are quite old now, but mere toddlers after Floyd Beatles and Stones - i would really appreciate a werthers btw, once the pipe slippers and fingerless gloves come off
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
It's enjoyable to go back to the stuff you liked in your youth. I find that I hear influences and nuances that I didn't have the listening history to notice or appreciate at the time.
Just thinking about the longevity of the concept album period of Pink Floyd ie. Dark Side through to Final Cut. I would say
1) It's easily digestible music that's also pretty sophisticated. See also Tubular Bells that was about as big in its time. There was a real market for progressive rock that isn't too challenging. And there's been a real canonisation if Pink Floyd of this period.
2) They really knew what they were doing in the studio by this point. They've always been big among audiophiles but now looking back the music has aged extremely well. Eg. Genesis, Yes, ELP sound like they're from another era.
3) Roger Waters is kinda spikey and speaks to a sense of alienation in a way that's a bit juvenile but is at least a kind of ethos.
I neither like the rock canon nor do I like this period of Pink Floyd, but I have to acknowledge that younger generations are finding something in it still and to the neglect of IMO the more interesting earlier period and IMO other more interesting bands like Van der Graaf Generator, Soft Machine or Hatfield and the North.
The other prog band that has lasted well is Rush. Another one I'm not a fan of, but there you go.
1) It's easily digestible music that's also pretty sophisticated. See also Tubular Bells that was about as big in its time. There was a real market for progressive rock that isn't too challenging. And there's been a real canonisation if Pink Floyd of this period.
2) They really knew what they were doing in the studio by this point. They've always been big among audiophiles but now looking back the music has aged extremely well. Eg. Genesis, Yes, ELP sound like they're from another era.
3) Roger Waters is kinda spikey and speaks to a sense of alienation in a way that's a bit juvenile but is at least a kind of ethos.
I neither like the rock canon nor do I like this period of Pink Floyd, but I have to acknowledge that younger generations are finding something in it still and to the neglect of IMO the more interesting earlier period and IMO other more interesting bands like Van der Graaf Generator, Soft Machine or Hatfield and the North.
The other prog band that has lasted well is Rush. Another one I'm not a fan of, but there you go.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Ah, Mike Oldfield, now there is one absolute twat I think we can all agree on.
Ah, Mike Oldfield, now there is one absolute twat I think we can all agree on.
Trump supporter apparently. Did not know that.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I remember he was a Thatcher supporter back in the day, which upset me as a teenage music fan. Pretty horrible at a personal level too from what I recall, particularly reading a profile piece on him a couple of years back. Left the UK as a tax exile, but full of nasty attitudes about the country being overrun by muggers, single parents etc. And yeah, Trump fan. Yuk.
Edit: can't find the piece I read, though I did find something along similar lines in the mail. Not going to link to that of course.
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Lurdan
old wave
hahahahahahahaAh, Mike Oldfield, now there is one absolute twat I think we can all agree on.
Today’s Britain rings hollow for Mr Tubular Bells - Times 2017 (archived)
True story: Tubular Bells was one of the first three albums released by the Virgin Label in 1973, along with Gong's 'Flying Teapot (Radio Gnome Invisible, Pt. 1)' and The Faust Tapes. I don't imagine many people had heard of Oldfield when it came out, but me and my friends were fans of Kevin Ayres and the Whole World. So the first day these three were on sale I went up to the West End and bought Tubular Bells and Gong. Back home I put Tubular Bells on. As I listened the phrase that came into my mind was "hip mood music". And lo...
Lol Coxhill was also in the Whole World and blamed Oldfield for getting him fired. On the album he did with Steve Miller 'Oh Really... The Story So Far' he included a 22 second track called Tubercular Balls. Go Lol
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
I think you’re more or less on the money in this post, although I perhaps feel a bit accused where I’ve highlighted bits in bold
I find the accusations of antisemitism against Waters weak and they seem dishonest and politically motivated. What seems to be probably genuine though is his pro-Putin and Assadist sympathies and I think he has also expressed views that deny how the Uighurs have been treated by the Chinese state. I do feel that people probably need to be clearer and do better with their accusations and 'evidence' though. Waters seems to me to be someone who is both problematic but also to have good intentions and to genuinely care about oppressed people, and no doubt as a wealthy rock star he is prone to egotism.
There was a time when I listened to Pink Floyd and they were clearly talented, in both their different forms. Their music and lyrics definitely resonated with me. But these days I can't say it's my bag and it's not something I tend to listen to anymore.
There was a time when I listened to Pink Floyd and they were clearly talented, in both their different forms. Their music and lyrics definitely resonated with me. But these days I can't say it's my bag and it's not something I tend to listen to anymore.
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
You must have missed the vid up thread of his saxophonist talking about his blatant racism
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
How does that work, then?
Lol is one of those names that hasn’t aged well.hahahahahahaha
Today’s Britain rings hollow for Mr Tubular Bells - Times 2017 (archived)
True story: Tubular Bells was one of the first three albums released by the Virgin Label in 1973, along with Gong's 'Flying Teapot (Radio Gnome Invisible, Pt. 1)' and The Faust Tapes. I don't imagine many people had heard of Oldfield when it came out, but me and my friends were fans of Kevin Ayres and the Whole World. So the first day these three were on sale I went up to the West End and bought Tubular Bells and Gong. Back home I put Tubular Bells on. As I listened the phrase that came into my mind was "hip mood music". And lo...
Lol Coxhill was also in the Whole World and blamed Oldfield for getting him fired. On the album he did with Steve Miller 'Oh Really... The Story So Far' he included a 22 second track called Tubercular Balls. Go Lol
Lurdan
old wave
Well he died in 2012 so I doubt he's too worried.
I think you’re more or less on the money in this post, although I perhaps feel a bit accused where I’ve highlighted bits in bold
Dark Side of the Moon sits nicely in the background and doesn't demand more attention than you are willing to give it but rewards careful listening. That's not a bad thing and don't feel accused by it. Contrasting it with something like VdGG's Pawn Hearts which demands your attention and you either go with it or you switch it off because listening to it is like being repeatedly slapped in the face while Peter Hamill grabs you by the lapels and shouts at you about the existential crisis of a lighthouse keeper an inch away from your face. I guess most people just switch off which is fair enough while there's a few remaining twitchy eyed fanatics who can't get enough of it.
I hope it doesn't turn out that Peter Hamill is a twat. That could destroy me.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Sounds really nice with a Gloucestershire accent and know a lad (well, old fart now too) called Laurence who is known as Lol. Laurie Lee was called that too.
I was thinking of internet acronyms rather than pronunciations.
JimW
支那暗杀团
I reckon they might be out the other side of that now too what with LOL being so familiar now.
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