RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

[Treacle Toes]

Journos are questioning her neighbours. The cunts.

 

[hash tag]

Do we know it's a man even?

 

[planetgeli]

Do we know it's a man even?

Yes.

There's pics on this thread.

Of the one bad apple.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Ok. Fair enough. I was thinking this would not make me feel safer though. Have to say, looking at the much bigger picture, it's worrying, sad etc. That a member of the human race is capable of such awful crimes against a fellow human being regardless of what part of the country or world they are from.

I didn't say “safer”. I said “relieved”

I don’t feel safe.

I am constantly wary watchful and on guard.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

I get you.

I have connections with Ashford and Folkestone so it feels really..... invasive, like he has somehow pressed himself up against my life.

Really creepy feeling.

I've lots of friends in Folkestone who are starting to realise the links....and message me...so it does feel really big; this whole sorry crime.

 

[Pickman's model]

Do we know it's a man even?

there are very few bald women named wayne

 

[tony.c]

BBC PM news is saying he is part of the Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Command.

 

[Athos]

This poor woman.


It was a valid defence in murder cases but Centre for Women’s justice have challenged and won this iirc. It can’t be used as a defence now. Or the argument it shouldn’t be is going through the courts. There have been a lot of super complaints submitted by them recently so I’m sketchy on what’s been won and what’s going through.

Has it actually gone through yet? It hadn't last time I looked, and seems to be taking an age!

 

[existentialist]

BBC PM news is saying he is part of the Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Command.

That's going to have a few Command Arseholes doing the old half-crown and sixpence...

 

[trashpony]

Has it actually gone through yet? It hadn't last time I looked, and seems to be taking an age!

Domestic Abuse Bill - Parliamentary Bills - UK Parliament Still in progress but very nearly there

 

[Athos]

Domestic Abuse Bill - Parliamentary Bills - UK Parliament Still in progress but very nearly there

Good. Let's hope so.

 

[purenarcotic]

Has it actually gone through yet? It hadn't last time I looked, and seems to be taking an age!

I don’t know. Which is why I said I don’t know.

 

[Sasaferrato]

How about you stop referring to it too?

I didn't raise it.

 

[hash tag]

there are very few bald women named wayne

I have not gone near those reports.

 

[rubbershoes]

I have to say though... I did feel a huge letting go, a feeling of real relief when we heard that the suspect isn’t a local person.

I lived round there for years. It never seemed a particularly dodgy area, though I'm aware I'm speaking as a man

 

[purenarcotic]

I lived round there for years. It never seemed a particularly dodgy area, though I'm aware I'm speaking as a man

I think we need to move past this concept of dodgy areas, at least when it comes to women and violence. It happens everywhere, just behind slightly nicer curtains or by well kept gardens. A woman got stabbed in broad daylight in Sutton Coldfield a couple of years ago. Just by the station on a busy street. Living in a ‘nice part of town’ doesn’t mean much.

 

[Edie]

This poor woman.


It was a valid defence in murder cases but Centre for Women’s justice have challenged and won this iirc. It can’t be used as a defence now. Or the argument it shouldn’t be is going through the courts. There have been a lot of super complaints submitted by them recently so I’m sketchy on what’s been won and what’s going through.

These ladies are my absolute hero’s for this.

 

[trashpony]

These ladies are my absolute hero’s for this.

And mine. And a big shout out should also go out to the women behind We Can't Consent to This which I think started after Natalie Connolly was murdered by her boyfriend who used a 'rough sex gone wrong' defence and has now been released. They have worked closely with the CWJ to get the strangulation / choking clause added to the DV Bill We Can't Consent To This

 

[rubbershoes]

I think we need to move past this concept of dodgy areas, at least when it comes to women and violence. It happens everywhere, just behind slightly nicer curtains or by well kept gardens. A woman got stabbed in broad daylight in Sutton Coldfield a couple of years ago. Just by the station on a busy street. Living in a ‘nice part of town’ doesn’t mean much.

True. Without wishing to derail at all, I was meaning that it didn't seem an area with high street crime

 

[Edie]

And mine. And a big shout out should also go out to the women behind We Can't Consent to This which I think started after Natalie Connolly was murdered by her boyfriend who used a 'rough sex gone wrong' defence and has now been released. They have worked closely with the CWJ to get the strangulation / choking clause added to the DV Bill We Can't Consent To This

Yes it’s brilliant and I know has also been much welcomed by sex workers

 

[baldrick]

It's interesting to me the legitimate outrage of people at a serving police officer being charged with this woman's murder, when that copper who killed his lover in a pub car park last year seemed to attract relatively little opprobrium. I wonder if it's the perception of blamelessness going on here.

Anyway, probably not the thread for it.

 

[purenarcotic]

Yes it’s brilliant and I know has also been much welcomed by sex workers

CWJ also campaigned and have submitted appeals to get sex workers who have criminal records as a result of their sex work (so loitering offences etc) abolished and wiped off their records so it can’t be held against them in the future.

 

[Geri]

I think we need to move past this concept of dodgy areas, at least when it comes to women and violence. It happens everywhere, just behind slightly nicer curtains or by well kept gardens. A woman got stabbed in broad daylight in Sutton Coldfield a couple of years ago. Just by the station on a busy street. Living in a ‘nice part of town’ doesn’t mean much.

I think you are right in that there are no 'safe' areas and recently there were a few sex attacks in Clifton, which is a very 'nice' part of Bristol. However, I live in a much cheaper part of town, which is known to the place to go if you are looking to buy sex, and the level of street harrassment is far worse here than in most parts of town. I don't like it when people call it a dodgy area though as I love living here.

 

[purenarcotic]

I think you are right in that there are no 'safe' areas and recently there were a few sex attacks in Clifton, which is a very 'nice' part of Bristol. However, I live in a much cheaper part of town, which is known to the place to go if you are looking to buy sex, and the level of street harrassment is far worse here than in most parts of town. I don't like it when people call it a dodgy area though as I love living here.

That’s a fair point, 100% agree. I was probably a bit clumsy in how I was expressing myself. In Holbeck in Leeds where the police experimented with decriminalisation of street sex work, women living but not working there reported an enormous increase in sexual harassment.

 

[two sheds]

You might have seen this at the time, someone asked women what they’d do differently if there were a 9pm curfew for men. I found some of the replies really moving. Little article about it here:

Women explain how their lives would improve if men had curfews

The world would be a better and safer place.

www.dailydot.com

Might be an interesting approach tbh. Men would need a valid reason to be out - bring it home that it's what women have to live with.

 

[bimble]

Might be an interesting approach tbh. Men would need a valid reason to be out - bring it home that it's what women have to live with.

That will never happen, of course. Even if it was just Tuesdays, that would be great though, I think it would be amazing.

It does give me a bit of hope to see there’s blokes on the Twitter today asking for advice about how to act so as to not scare women who are walking alone (most consistent responses are cross the road so as not to be walking behind her, keep face visible, make noise, like phone a friend or pretend to because silence is frightening).

 

[Mr paulee]

Might be an interesting approach tbh. Men would need a valid reason to be out - bring it home that it's what women have to live with.

Maybe I have misunderstood - but women have to live with a valid reason for being out after a certain time?

 

[two sheds]

Maybe I have misunderstood - but women have to live with a valid reason for being out after a certain time?

No, but women are warned not to go out if there's a man out there attacking women. I was thinking more of a sort of local one-off promotional exercise to let men know what that feels like.

 

[Mr paulee]

No, but women are warned not to go out if there's a man out there attacking women. I was thinking more of a sort of local one-off promotional exercise to let men know what that feels like.

An exercise in promoting what? Awareness? Restriction of freedoms?

 

[trashpony]

Maybe I have misunderstood - but women have to live with a valid reason for being out after a certain time?

That was literally the advice given by the Met earlier this week: women, stay home in the evenings.
And it was the advice when the Yorkshire Ripper was at large too.

Every time there is a multiple male sex attacker, women are told to curtail their behaviour.

I find it slightly unbelievable that this has passed you by.