RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

[Sasaferrato]

This idea (touted, incidentally, by a male-born fetish pornographer) has an obvious significant weakness: those men intent on causing harm could easily escape the curfew by claiming to identify as women.

That is rather a toxic can of worms.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

That is rather a toxic can of worms.

So why try to prise it open?

 

[Pickman's model]

Nah, I've made my point; not something I want to pursue particularly.

not a point worth making tbh. so you'd be wise not pursue it

 

[SheilaNaGig]

I have to say though... I did feel a huge letting go, a feeling of real relief when we heard that the suspect isn’t a local person.

 

[Pickman's model]

I have to say though... I did feel a huge letting go, a feeling of real relief when we heard that the suspect isn’t a local person.

i suspect there are a lot of places he's done stuff where he hasn't been local, if the suspicions about folkestone are borne out (and i imagine there are other place too)

 

[Athos]

not a point worth making tbh. so you'd be wise not pursue it

Yes, whether or not you support sex-based protections for women, maybe this isn't the thread to pursue it. Happy to let it drop.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

I wonder what the proportion is of men who would assault - or worse - women?

Probably (hopefully) very low. But when ONE man is terrorising local women, ALL the women are advised to stay home.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

i suspect there are a lot of places he's done stuff where he hasn't been local, if the suspicions about folkestone are borne out (and i imagine there are other place too)

Yes of course.
But from the perspective of the neighbourhood, it’s a relief to know it’s not someone we know, one of our own.

 

[hash tag]

I have to say though... I did feel a huge letting go, a feeling of real relief when we heard that the suspect isn’t a local person.

A "local" person has gone missing

 

[editor]

Forgive me for some random rage.

Fuck this fucking copper pathetic shithead fucker

 

[Pickman's model]

A "local" person has gone missing

no, it's a kentish local away from home while his colleagues question him

 

[Pickman's model]

Forgive me for some random rage.

Fuck this fucking copper cunt.

ration your rage as there are so many many other cops who deserve your ire too

 

[hash tag]

Forgive me for some random rage.

Fuck this fucking copper pathetic shithead fucker

Have they been charged with anything yet, have they had a trial yet. It's just tabloid gossip for the moment, is it not?

 

[Sasaferrato]

So why try to prise it open?

Don't know. Really don't know.

It is a subject that has sparked a lot of discord previously.

 

[editor]

Have they been charged with anything yet, have they had a trial yet. It's just tabloid gossip for the moment, is it not?

I think this tells its own story

This morning Mr Ephgrave described the arrest of a serving Met Police officer as both shocking and disturbing.
That officer has now been further arrested on suspicion of murder.
It's unusual for such a senior officer to give a statement at this stage of an investigation and perhaps reflects the horror felt within the force - a profession where colleagues often describe themselves as family.

Sarah Everard disappearance: Met officer arrested on suspicion of murder

Londoner Sarah Everard, 33, has not been seen since she disappeared in Clapham a week ago.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Mrs Miggins]

I’ve been out to take my car for it’s MOT and walked back, stopped in to buy some groceries. Everyone is talking about it and everyone seems really quite shocked. Even round here where the OB don’t have much support, that’s the thing that’s making people raise their voice and wave their hands about, that it’s a cop.


Two different people said that the only explicable reason they could fathom for a copper to be involved in her assumed death was if it was as a sex game gone wrong. Otherwise it was just... and then they trailed off and shook their heads. Two separate people volunteered that, with all appropriate caveats about it being awful under any circumstsnces. I suppose because it seems really extreme for a copper to be responsible for an abduction and disappearance, possible murder. It says something that people are grasping for ways to make it explicable. (Although apparently for some, it makes no odds that it was a copper...)

As I said, I cut through those estates all the time and there are plenty of places that aren’t covered by CCTV,. Even on a warm night with people out of doors and windows open, there are patches where you’re alone and unobservdd

If it was a regular route for her, was someone on the spy for her?

One bloke said that there was a lot of unusual rowdy activity on Wednesday night on the estate behind where they’ve blocked it off. That sounds like hindsight to me, and unlikely to be part of this story but maybe someone who was driving loops and breaking windows saw something.

A woman said that the Next Door app is saying that there is some kind of human trafficking angle, something about Dover. Again, that sounds unlikely to me. Chatter filling a vacuum. I guess it’s triggered by this Deal and Ashford connection. And maybe some kind of nasty “white slave trade” nonsense in the background.



Speaking just for myself, it made me wonder how long it would take for for me to be missed if I was abducted locally. I was up late thinking about Sarah and her family, finally went to bed and had horrible complicated anxiety dreams til I woke up early thinking about Sarah

I can't get this "sex game gone wrong" thing out of my head. People actually said that?

 

[editor]

Don't know. Really don't know.

It is a subject that has sparked a lot of discord previously.

How about you stop referring to it too?

 

[SheilaNaGig]

A "local" person has gone missing

Have you misunderstood me?

I’m saying that when I heard that the suspect - the copper who has been arrested and charged - was not a member of the local community, I was relieved.

I was relieved to know that the suspect is not a member of our own community but instead is both not local, and also, being OB, isn’t someone we might know personally.

If it was someone who lives and works and shops and socialised locally, in the area, on this street, then that would feel really fucking dreadful, because it might be a neighbour or a friend, or at least someone that we might feel affinity for, as a local person with similar experiences and sensibilites.

Might not be a logical or rational response to feel relieved but it was a real and visceral feeling of relief.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

I can't get this "sex game gone wrong" thing out of my head. People actually said that?

Yes.

I was taken aback by it too.

When the second person said it I pointed out that the “she likes it rough” sex game gone wrong thing has been used by the defence for killers in recent years. I think as BDSM has become more mainstream and recognised (50shades has a lot to answer for...) people are more prone to say and think these things.

 

[Teaboy]

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[Nanker Phelge]

Being a London copper makes him a part my community (if I like it or not)...

 

[Mumbles274]

You might have seen this at the time, someone asked women what they’d do differently if there were a 9pm curfew for men. I found some of the replies really moving. Little article about it here:

Women explain how their lives would improve if men had curfews

The world would be a better and safer place.

www.dailydot.com

It's doubly depressing. First the perfectly normal things the non-males say they would do. Then the deluge of males proving exactly why the thread exists and 100% failing to get it

 

[Athos]

Yes.

I was taken aback by it too.

Depressingly successful defence, sadly. When people speculate like that, you can see why. Grim.

ETA: crossed with your edit.

 

[purenarcotic]

This poor woman.

I can't get this "sex game gone wrong" thing out of my head. People actually said that?

It was a valid defence in murder cases but Centre for Women’s justice have challenged and won this iirc. It can’t be used as a defence now. Or the argument it shouldn’t be is going through the courts. There have been a lot of super complaints submitted by them recently so I’m sketchy on what’s been won and what’s going through.

 

[killer b]

Yes.

I was taken aback by it too.

When they’re the second person said it I pointed out that the “she likes it rough” sex game gone wrong thing has been used by the defence for killers in recent years. I think as BDSM has become more mainstream and recognised (50shades has a lot to answer for...) people are more prone to say and think these things.

I guess so many people have managed to get off murder charges with this defence now, some people must think it's a real thing.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Being a London copper makes him a part my community (if I like it or not)...

Okay yes, but this is splitting hairs.

Anyway, he was a firearms officer up west. Not a bobby on the beat

 

[SheilaNaGig]

This poor woman.


It was a valid defence in murder cases but Centre for Women’s justice have challenged and won this iirc. It can’t be used as a defence now. Or the argument it shouldn’t be is going through the courts. There have been a lot of super complaints submitted by them recently so I’m sketchy on what’s been won and what’s going through.

I’m deeply releived to know this.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Okay yes, but this is splitting hairs.

Anyway, he was a firearms officer up west. Not a bobby on the beat

Sorry, it wasn't in opposition to your points.

Living here and working in Westminster puts this fuck in two of my orbits

 

[hash tag]

Have you misunderstood me?

I’m saying that when I heard that the suspect - the copper who has been arrested and charged - was not a member of the local community, I was relieved.

I was relieved to know that the suspect is not a member of our own community but instead is both not local, and also, being OB, isn’t someone we might know personally.

If it was someone who lives and works and shops and socialised locally, in the area, on this street, then that would feel really fucking dreadful, because it might be a neighbour or a friend, or at least someone that we might feel affinity for, as a local person with similar experiences and sensibilites.

Might not be a logical or rational response to feel relieved but it was a real and visceral feeling of relief.

Ok. Fair enough. I was thinking this would not make me feel safer though. Have to say, looking at the much bigger picture, it's worrying, sad etc. That a member of the human race is capable of such awful crimes against a fellow human being regardless of what part of the country or world they are from.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Sorry, it wasn't in opposition to your points.

Living here and working in Westminster puts this fuck in two of my orbits

I get you.

I have connections with Ashford and Folkestone so it feels really..... invasive, like he has somehow pressed himself up against my life.

Really creepy feeling.