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RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

Is there something in the news about this guy having been identified as a suspect in the flashing incident before the kidnapping, or is everyone just assuming that's the case?
The Met received the report on Feb 28th that a man had exposed himself in a fast food restaurant. Their conduct in that investigation has been referred to the IOPC so that seems to suggest he had been.

Incidentally, someone speculated they might have known one another - there is no evidence of this according to 'police sources'. But would not confirm a report that her phone hasn't been found
 
I don't know. The speculation is all grim and unhelpful too. I was just disagreeing with something athos said on the general point.
Tbh the entire thing is grim

But we've been speculating for many many years about all sorts of things, it's what we do - even the condemnations of speculation are by rote.
 
This is what women are up against

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Yeah, you should see the comments sections on local papers right now. It's just a load of old men telling women they're wrong. Wrong for going out at night, wrong for complaining, wrong for this vigil, wrong to point the finger at men, wrong, wrong, wrong. You could write a script for this stuff, really.
 
The police watchdog has launched an investigation into whether Metropolitan Police officers “responded appropriately” to a report of indecent exposure following referrals linked to the arrest of the suspect in the Sarah Everard case.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said its independent probe follows a “conduct referral” from the force in relation to two officers, which was received on Wednesday night.

This is linked to four other referrals, and all are connected to the arrest of the serving Metropolitan Police officer currently being held on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering 33-year-old Ms Everard and for a separate allegation of indecent exposure, the IOPC said.
 
Yeah, you should see the comments sections on local papers right now. It's just a load of old men telling women they're wrong. Wrong for going out at night, wrong for complaining, wrong for this vigil, wrong to point the finger at men, wrong, wrong, wrong. You could write a script for this stuff, really.

yuck.
 
The Met received the report on Feb 28th that a man had exposed himself in a fast food restaurant. Their conduct in that investigation has been referred to the IOPC so that seems to suggest he had been.
I'm not sure if it does tbh. It could 'just' mean that it wasn't taken seriously enough or responded to quickly enough or any number of other things.
 
Whether they were on duty at the time should obviously not come into it. If accused of such a serious offence at work or not should mean suspencion whilst investigated. That's so blatantly obvious, I wonder if I've missed something.

The on duty at the time bit, is only relevant re conviction and stiffer sentence IMO.

I'm not saying that's right; just what it is. For what it's worth, I'd agree with you that not being on duty ought not to prevent suspension in respect of such serious allegations.
 
The police watchdog has launched an investigation into whether Metropolitan Police officers “responded appropriately” to a report of indecent exposure following referrals linked to the arrest of the suspect in the Sarah Everard case.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said its independent probe follows a “conduct referral” from the force in relation to two officers, which was received on Wednesday night.

This is linked to four other referrals, and all are connected to the arrest of the serving Metropolitan Police officer currently being held on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering 33-year-old Ms Everard and for a separate allegation of indecent exposure, the IOPC said.

It's a bit confusing but it seems two of the referrals relate to Couzens' conduct (the alleged murder and indecent exposure), two relate to the police response to those incidents (one for each), and one relates to his injury in custody.
 
Imagine having to assess potential threats on the street every time you go anywhere. Like being in a war zone full of mines and snipers. Even if you're not attacked the accumulated stress must be ruinous to your mental health. If men had to deal with it I'm sure it wouldn't be long before solutions could be found.
 
I thought this thread was interesting, wondered what people thought about it (it echoes some stuff mrs b was talking about on the phone last night too tbf)




I don’t panic.

But I’m always making risk assessments. Looking ahead to see if there’s an alley entrance I should give a wide berth to, walking wide from the wall when I go round a corner onto a darker street, walking in the middle of the street if the pavements are narrow, checking for the nearest open shops whenever I’m in an area I’m not familiar with, if a car slows down I put my back against the wall or change direction, checking the convex mirrors in the tube station at night but not bothering in daytime, standing backwards on the up escalator to see who’s coming up behind me (because they may follow me out of the station), not stopping to check directions or for any other reason without making sure I’m not isolated etc etc.

How about this. Men reading this, the next time you’re out about, switch on this kind of risk assessment and see what it feels like. See how tiring it is, how much energy it uses up and how it affects your mood. And every time you notice that you've stopped doing it, please realise that most of the women you know do this as a matter of constancy, always and automatically, running the maths in the background, and we’ve been been doing it since our teen years.





One of the things I’ve been thinking about in recent days is not the normal run of the mill bullshit that I usually turn the volume down on, but the fewer but more dangerous times I’ve been approached by men who had something more sinister in mind.

Like, just one instance: I was walking along Coldharbour Lane, wearing high heels because id been out for the night. I’d had a drink or two and I wasn’t in a great mood (things were bad at home). I missed my footing and went down on my hip, immediately got to my feet and switched my attention to “alert” because now I’d signalled that I was “falling down drunk” and therefore easy pickings. Right on cue, a man approached me, he appeared so quietly and so swiftly it was as if he’d materialised out of the air, just waiting for a vulnerable woman to click his intentions into actions. He walked in front of me, I changed direction, looked down, kept waking, he propositioned me, offered to walk me home, put his hand on my arm, and then he put him his foot in front of mine, clearly intending to trip me up. Fortunately, my shin made contact rather than my foot, so I stopped still and held my position, actually leaving my weight against his leg. Because he had hold of my arm. I was stuck. So I had to front it out. So I stared at him, right in the face. I said “I see you, you prick” and out loud I described his face and appearance, his clothing, his height and weight, like a police description. It was very risky, I know. But I had run the maths, and it seemed like smaller risk than asking him “please let me go” (giving him power) and a smaller risk than trying to free myself from his grasp and triggering him to grab me harder.

He did let me go, and he melted back into the dark. I went home, phoned 111 and reported it. No one rang me back.

I didnt panic, I felt really angry.

My mistake was that my attention was distracted by my mood, and my mood was sad and vulnerable. Had I tripped up while feeling strong and powerful and on top of the world, I doubt he’d have approached me in the same way. I think this because most of the times I’ve been approached in a way that felt sinister and immediately dangerous, I’ve been feeling vulnerable. It’s not a hard and fast correlation, but it’s enough to have influenced my internal risk assessment procedures.

But even so, there are times when my diligence fails. It’s fucking exhausting to be on duty with this shit all.the.time.
 
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Good afternoon everyone,

New member here, I didn’t want to just jump straight in but...

I find Richard’s overall tone in the FB posts extremely disingenuous.
Women & Girls(and many men/boys) would like to hold a vigil, he is owed nothing in the way of an explanation, that’s it.

In regards to knife crime, I have personally observed vigils over the years(Clapham & Brixton)arranged and attended by family, friends and the wider community for boys and young men who have been killed in either a knife attack or shooting.
He’s playing a game of word salad in those posts to bamboozle others. I personally wouldn’t have entertained him.
 
I had a boyfriend who would tease me about being really ditzy and unaware when we were walking about. He would say “how on Earth do you manage when you’re on your own??” It was because I trusted him enough to go off duty and relax when I was with him and it was like be being on holiday. But when we were on holiday and got lost in a slum area, it was me that realised we were about to get into danger, and me who quickly found a route out of danger, almost before he realised there was a problem.
 
Good afternoon everyone,

New member here, I didn’t want to just jump straight in but...

I find Richard’s overall tone in the FB posts extremely disingenuous.
Women & Girls(and many men/boys) would like to hold a vigil, he is owed nothing in the way of an explanation, that’s it.

In regards to knife crime, I have personally observed vigils over the years(Clapham & Brixton)arranged and attended by family, friends and the wider community for boys and young men who have been killed in either a knife attack or shooting.
He’s playing a game of word salad in those posts to bamboozle others. I personally wouldn’t have entertained him.


Hello HarmonyFlow , welcome to Urban.

But if you/we don’t engage with this kind of stuff , it stands unchallenged. Even if that person won’t change his mind it might help another person to develop their thinking.

I understand what you say about not bothering with someone so obviously entenched when it’s one-on-one, but in public (which SM is) then I think it’s worth the effort.
 
I don't understand how a lunatic gets into the police and stays in the police. Before he becomes a murderer, isn't there some psych testing which could identify him as having dangerous bizarre sex crime thinking?
it's far easier to be a violent lunatic in the police without people catching on (or thinking there's much wrong with you) than it is in many other jobs.
 
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