Revolutionary Islam

[butchersapron]

The festivals would exist in some form anyway.

You don't get to tell me I'm culturally Christian. There is nothing peculiarly culturally Christian about spring and midwinter festivals. Quite the reverse - they are something that Christianity has coopted itself into.

I certainly do. And foot stomping that only revolves around you is well, foot stomping that only revolves around you. That's not context. How dare you talk about context and then deny 1500 years of history.

 

[belboid]

The festivals would exist in some form anyway.

You don't get to tell me I'm culturally Christian. There is nothing peculiarly culturally Christian about spring and midwinter festivals. Quite the reverse - they are something that Christianity has coopted itself into.

Co-opted onto? That's just silly.

tho if you want to call yourself a Woolwich supporting monkey, hat's your choice.

 

[gentlegreen]

I think it's a bit farfetched to assert that we don't live in a culturally Christian society when the monarch's the head of the CofE, we have the Lords Spiritual in the House of Lords, and an entire system of canon law.

I doubt the law impinges on most of us - apart from employment law, H&S etc - are those "Christian" ?

 

[butchersapron]

I doubt the law impinges on most of us - apart from employment law, H&S etc - are those "Christian" ?

They are culturally christian, yes.

 

[belboid]

I doubt the law impinges on most of us - apart from employment law, H&S etc - are those "Christian" ?

Marriage?

And various civil laws are derived from Canon

 

[cesare]

I doubt the law impinges on most of us - apart from employment law, H&S etc - are those "Christian" ?

Here's an example of where ecclesiastical law impinges on most people: http://www.newwalkchambers.co.uk/areas/burials.php

 

[gentlegreen]

Marriage?

And various civil laws are derived from Canon

I've opted out of all rites of passage, but I suppose we have to be grateful that the blokes in frocks in the Lords aren't wearing baggy trousers instead - though Xtianity has at least had 500 more years to get over itself ...

 

[butchersapron]

I've opted out of all rites of passage, but I suppose we have to be grateful that the blokes in frocks in the Lords aren't wearing baggy trousers instead - though Xtianity has at least had 500 more years to get over itself ...

Oh god, oh god oh god oh god oh god

 

[cesare]

They are culturally christian, yes.

Absolutely. Half of our bank holidays are derived from Christian observance, for example.

 

[belboid]

Absolutely. Half of our bank holidays are derived from Christian observance, for example.

pagan, you mean

 

[cesare]

pagan, you mean

 

[TodayIsCaturday]

Our elected councillors and MPs together with employed council officers and parliamentary officials still waste time listening to prayers every day.

 

[ViolentPanda]

precisely what Paisley and many other hardcore prods accuse catholics of doing

Pretty much what Catholicism has accused the Orthodox churches of doing for 15 centuries or so, too.

 

[ViolentPanda]

before you show your ignorance again why not invest in a copy of 'the golden bough'?

Or even the abridged version, "The Silver Twig".

 

[ViolentPanda]

perspective

That's a big hole in that manger's roof!

 

[ViolentPanda]

The festivals would exist in some form anyway.

You don't get to tell me I'm culturally Christian. There is nothing peculiarly culturally Christian about spring and midwinter festivals. Quite the reverse - they are something that Christianity has coopted itself into.

You may not be personally "culturally Christian", in that you don't follow or practice directly-Christian rituals, but you're culturally-Christian insofar as you exist as part of a population whose primary moral (and, for much of its' existence, political) guidance has come from Judaeo-Christian thought in general, and Christian scripture in particular.

 

[Buckaroo]

That's a big hole in that manger's roof!

And the Zionist death ray is targeting Jesus

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think it's a bit farfetched to assert that we don't live in a culturally Christian society when the monarch's the head of the CofE, we have the Lords Spiritual in the House of Lords, and an entire system of canon law.

And a system of criminal, family and commercial law based on essentially-Christian precepts.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

That's a big hole in that manger's roof!

Come on VP you must know that a manger is a trough for animals to eat out of. The hole is in the roof of the stable.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I've opted out of all rites of passage, but I suppose we have to be grateful that the blokes in frocks in the Lords aren't wearing baggy trousers instead - though Xtianity has at least had 500 more years to get over itself ...

Here's the thing - if you'd been arsed to follow the discussion, you'd know that cultural Christianity isn't about what you or littlebabyjesus choose to do or be, it's about...taaaa-daaaaaa - culture.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Come on VP you must know that a manger is a trough for animals to eat out of. The hole is in the roof of the stable.

A hole in the roof that big is certainly not stable!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oh god, oh god oh god oh god oh god

You can take the boy out of the church....

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Here's the thing - if you'd been arsed to follow the discussion, you'd know that cultural Christianity isn't about what you or littlebabyjesus choose to do or be, it's about...taaaa-daaaaaa - culture.

It also isn't what you or bullies like butchersapron choose it to be - at best this is a discussion in which finding out what it might mean is arrived at. If you're talking about particular festivals with Christian elements, if you reject those Christian elements of them, I am here saying that you're not in any meaningful way culturally Christian. To insist that you are is very dodgy, and exactly the line that the likes of phildwyer take in insisting that people are Muslim, babies can be Muslim etc.

 

[butchersapron]

It also isn't what you or bullies like butchersapron choose it to be - at best this is a discussion in which finding out what it might mean is arrived at. If you're talking about particular festivals with Christian elements, if you reject those Christian elements of them, I am here saying that you're not in any meaningful way culturally Christian. To insist that you are is very dodgy, and exactly the line that the likes of phildwyer take in insisting that people are Muslim, babies can be Muslim etc.

There is no society but me. That's context.

 

[goldenecitrone]

It also isn't what you or bullies like butchersapron choose it to be - at best this is a discussion in which finding out what it might mean is arrived at. If you're talking about particular festivals with Christian elements, if you reject those Christian elements of them, I am here saying that you're not in any meaningful way culturally Christian. To insist that you are is very dodgy, and exactly the line that the likes of phildwyer take in insisting that people are Muslim, babies can be Muslim etc.

Didn't you have to sing hymns in assembly every morning like we did? Kum by Yah and all that stuff. Racing through the Lord's Prayer to try and say it quicker and quicker each morning.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It also isn't what you or bullies like butchersapron choose it to be - at best this is a discussion in which finding out what it might mean is arrived at. If you're talking about particular festivals with Christian elements, if you reject those Christian elements of them, I am here saying that you're not in any meaningful way culturally Christian. To insist that you are is very dodgy, and exactly the line that the likes of phildwyer take in insisting that people are Muslim, babies can be Muslim etc.

You're missing the point.
It's not about what you are or are not, what you reject or accept.
It's not about what gentlegreen is or isn't.
It's not about what I am, or what I'm not.
It's about the fact that most of what we engage in culturally as "people living in the UK" (of whatever heritage) is wrapped in an envelope* of Christian culture, whether we choose to acknowledge or accept that Christian culture or not.

*Think of Foucault's interlinked and over-arching "web" of power-relations as an illustration of how completely Christian culture infiltrates wider social culture.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Didn't you have to sing hymns in assembly every morning like we did? Kum by Yah and all that stuff. Racing through the Lord's Prayer to try and say it quicker and quicker each morning.

Who wrote Kumbayah? I want a time machine just so I can kill them.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Who wrote Kumbayah? I want a time machine just so I can kill them.

No idea. But feel free to join in with this version.

 

[Pickman's model]

Or even the abridged version, "The Silver Twig".

aleister crowley wrote a number of short stories under the collective name of 'golden twigs', which if memory serves are available from the excellent wordsworth press, included with his simon iff stories: one or two of which require a strong stomach.

 

[ViolentPanda]

There is no society but me. That's context.

That's not just context, that's Thatcherism.