Not among Muslims.
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Not among Muslims.
Not to my knowledge, and I've spent quite a but of time in India recently.
You're saying that you know of Indians who openly blaspheme the Hindu gods?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Except, you do.
belboid
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and Dickie Dawkins too!
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Name one Christian thing I do at Christmas. What I do, btw, is normally travel down to visit the folks bearing gifts, drink and eat a lot, go for walks, read a lot, get rather exasperated and stir crazy, then go home. What is Christian about any of that?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I am saying that I know an Indian who dislikes strongly the Hindu nationalism that, for instance, has led to the renaming of cities and the imposition of Hindu ways on everyone as an 'Indian' identity.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Family, gifts, on December 25th.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Dec 25 is Christian? You sure? Giving gifts isn't. And families and the visiting of them at festivals isn't either.
cesare
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Yes, there is. There's a lot been written about it and I daresay other people besides me can give anecdotal evidence as well.
http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/a...im-peasantries-north-india-east-west-pakistan
JimW
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Well, obviously there's a lot more to it than that but Hobbes' conclusion that a monarch is the best guarantee of that strong state illustrates my point about the limits of the political mind in the ruling classes at the time.
Oh yes you are.
I've never met you, but your posts on here are quite obviously written by a product of the Judeo-Christian tradition. The fact that you seem unaware of how culturally specific your opinions and character are testifies to their formative power.
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Yes, of course December 25 is Christian. If you refuse to accept that you will refuse to accept anything. you are deluding yourself tho.
You cite a deliberately controversial article, whose own author admits to breaking with received opinion:
"Popular belief holds that a caste system and the Islamic religion are diametrically opposed. The egalitarian atmosphere of Islam would seem to preclude the existence of a caste system and given the tremendous social mobility in Islamic societies, a caste complex could not flourish. Although these assumptions are theoretically valid, in practice the steady growth of the caste concept is evident throughout Islamic society."
Maybe the author has found some exceptions, I don't know. But I do know that the whole point of Islam is egalitarianism. That's precisely why it took off in India, where converts to Islam were mainly oppressed victims of the caste system seeking to escape it.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Why 'of course'? Given that it is a coopted Pagan festival, I suspect that the choice of date predates Christianity.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
attended christian funerals? Baptisms? become a Godfather? if we take phil and belboids cultural christian thing then your in the box if you have. I know I'm culturaly christian- I go to carol service (I like a sing song) and easter (no real explanation for this one except ma hates to be the only one there with no family). But I don't believe it.
Does he ever explicitly conclude that?
There were many editions of Leviathan and Hobbes (justly famous as one of history's greatest cowards) altered them to fit the prevailing opinion. But I believe he remained studiously careful not to specify whether he preferred a monarchy or a republic.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
So you're a Woolwich supporter then? If something has a base in something else it still is that original thing. Which means you're a monkey. Or one of those sea things we evolved from.
And December 25th was chosen explicitly because it is NOT the solstice. It's near to it, but different.
You want to know why? Because it boils down to three small children (if you include Jews) with the same father but not all the same age arguing that "Daddy loves me best" when he's long since left the room and hasn't been around, or made any signs of contact, for several years.
In the absence of any other evidence, argueing about which religion is or isn't valid is an ego trip, pure and simple. Each may be valid to the adherent, but how much it matters to the focus of it is anyone's guess.
How can the choice of a date for the birthday of Christ predate Christianity?
Yes, we know it was the pagan Saturnalia. So what?
It's the official birthday of Mithras and also of Horus, your move.
JimW
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I'll have to look it up,but I thought he concluded there were three types of possible commonwealth, democracy,aristocracy or monarchy; first point was you should put up with whatever you traditionally had as rebellion is wrong but monarchy is the thing to aim for (maybe in his sinful times when we weren't up to the model of Roman antiquity or something)
Each of the three religions has different tenets, and different advice about how to live. A rational person can easily make up his/her mind between them on a rational basis.
For example: Islam forbids alcohol (actually Islam doesn't forbid anything except idolatry, but Muslims are strongly advised not to booze). There's nothing superstitious about that is there? It's a rational matter. And so, translated out of the mythical vocabulary, is all the rest.
cesare
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I'll hand over to you here. And let's not get started on the origins of the three wise men, following a star and all that in pre-Christian traditions.
Actually, Hobbes took a dim view of classical antiquity. He thought it encouraged rebellion. But yes, his basic point is that one should accept the status quo, whatever it was.
Political shenanigans, the same as what miraculously claimed that Christian saints and/or angels appeared at holy wells or formerly Pagan sites, officially revealing them to be the perfect place for a new church or shrine. BTW do try to keep up, Saturnalia is approximately mid December, not around the 25th.
He is.
FACT: All the medieval churches in South Wales are built on leylines. This is indeed because they replaced pagan altars on the same sites.
But that doesn't mean that Christianity owes anything to paganism in a doctrinal sense. And Saturnalia could last for weeks.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This sounds good and clever, but it's actually bollocks.
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