Fair enough, but all these articles make the point that the caste system is anomalous in Islam. Its re-appearance is newsworthy precisely because it's unusual.
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Fair enough, but all these articles make the point that the caste system is anomalous in Islam. Its re-appearance is newsworthy precisely because it's unusual.
AFAIK it's interpreted less as a ban on drinking, than a ban on whatever clouds your judgement or dizzies the mind - hence antihistamines are also avoided by some Muslims (the things you learn, hanging around pharmacies). Some Muslims would believe that khat, tobacco, cannabis, and opium are haram, others take the view that if they've been allowed to grow then surely a benevolent god wouldn't create something so harmful, therefore they're permitted in the right amount and the right situation.
Incidentally, the Islamic ban on idolatry is one which makes me smile wryly, since the Koran itself is customarily handled in a way which is dangerously close to idolatry.
Come to think of it, the way that Christians treat Jesus (and soem treat Mary and the saints) is also pretty close to idolatry at times.
http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/Article/Index/5180fbd83a682e0f88c4afe1#.U80pobFbXIU
Cuba and Iran have forged bonds of mutually assured survival, with much of the credit due to Fidel Castro’s indefatigable initiatives to build friendships with other archenemies of the United States. The secularist tenets of communism notwithstanding, Castro has always viewed radical Islam as compatible with his own thinking. As he explicitly stated in 1979, “We do not think there is contradiction between religion and revolution”. Castro further expounded on his ideology in overtures to Ayatollah Khomeini in the first years of the Islamic Revolution, going as far as praising the “revolutionary role of Islam” and calling for “the expulsion of the Zionist regime [Israel] from the United Nations”. (4)
The relationship with Iran that Castro envisioned a quarter of a century ago has come to full fruition with the rise of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Tehran. Since assuming the presidency of the Islamic Republic in 2005, Ahmadinejad has prioritized relations with Cuba and reciprocated Castro s longstanding offer of an alliance between the two regimes
Cuba and Iran have forged bonds of mutually assured survival, with much of the credit due to Fidel Castro’s indefatigable initiatives to build friendships with other archenemies of the United States. The secularist tenets of communism notwithstanding, Castro has always viewed radical Islam as compatible with his own thinking. As he explicitly stated in 1979, “We do not think there is contradiction between religion and revolution”. Castro further expounded on his ideology in overtures to Ayatollah Khomeini in the first years of the Islamic Revolution, going as far as praising the “revolutionary role of Islam” and calling for “the expulsion of the Zionist regime [Israel] from the United Nations”. (4)
The relationship with Iran that Castro envisioned a quarter of a century ago has come to full fruition with the rise of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Tehran. Since assuming the presidency of the Islamic Republic in 2005, Ahmadinejad has prioritized relations with Cuba and reciprocated Castro s longstanding offer of an alliance between the two regimes
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what's that link and why should i bother with it?
Special places and good meeting points are special, regardless of the current pervading beliefs, because they are. Have a look at a contour map and water supplies, then work out probable trade routes, then pick your prime locations, but let's keep anachronistic ley lines out of this, shall we?
They can be drawn in the same way that I could draw meaningful (to whom?) symbols by joining up enough moles if I want to prove something.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Was he?
cesare
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It's meant to be unusual but it's really not.
JimW
支那暗杀团
I'm reading Francis Pryor's book Britain BC on the archaeology of very early Britain and this point keeps coming up in his descriptions ofa whole range of sites.
Mostly because cultures come and go but the basic needs for survival remain the same.
JimW
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I think also because while cultures shift a place with some sort of significance that is constantly used/visited ends up adapting along with them - he points out that eg various phases of Stonehenge landscape have a very long history so that it was ancient by the time the stones we know got erected.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
so is Mithras based on Horus, or Horus based on Mithras? Because if you are saying Christmas is based on either simply because the dates are the same, then H&M must be based upon one or the other too.
What that shows is the importance of the equinox in all these calendars, that is the thing that links them, the way the universe works. Which came before the other is all but irrelevant. No one (as far as I'm aware) thinks Mithras' or Horus' birthdays are based upon the others, so why must Christmas be? No one (again, afaik) claims Christmas is based on Horus, so it's only point here is to show the co-incidence of these dates.
Some do claim Christmas comes from Mithras (or, more specifically, Sol Invictus), but that's dubious as there is little evidence the Roman sun worshippers actually celebrated particularly on that date, but mainly because the key thing for the Christian is how December 25 is nine months after the spring equinox, and the supposed conception of Christ.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
precisely what Paisley and many other hardcore prods accuse catholics of doing
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
before you show your ignorance again why not invest in a copy of 'the golden bough'?
A lot of Muslims would make the same accusation.
Neither. But, in case you didn't know, Isis concealed the baby Horus in a manger at one point.
With regard to your point about the spring equinox - Easter is a movable feast because it tried to overlay Passover. Counting on 9 months, hmm. The first baby, particularly a questionable one, can have an official timing (before scans and accurate pregnancy tests were possible) of 5 months (even if carried to full term) to 12 months (made possible by early miscarriage followed by another conception with a late labour).
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Easter is also movable so Holy Week doesn't coincide with the Annunciation.
As for nine months, well, no, it is not precise biologically, but that didn't bother the early Christians, and as God is Perfect, Jesus' gestation would have gone perfectly, so - nine months. We all (well, nearly all) know it's a load of bollocks, but it's what they thought.
As for nine months, well, no, it is not precise biologically, but that didn't bother the early Christians, and as God is Perfect, Jesus' gestation would have gone perfectly, so - nine months. We all (well, nearly all) know it's a load of bollocks, but it's what they thought.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Um. How do you work out that dec 25 is nine months after the spring equinox?
And as ever, Christian mythology borrows from other traditions, as it does also with Easter and the story of rebirth and coming back from the dead...
Don't know about the reliability of this source... But then how reliable are yours?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
god may be perfect but mary was carrying the child.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
blame the early christians, not me.
there are obvious links between these disparate myths - they all go back to the central importance of equinox's (as stated earlier). Given the generally minimal impact of Germanic paganism upon christianity, its unlikely Ostara was the specific forebear of Easter, it is probably one of the various cognates that eventually turned into 'Easter'. But it is the equinox that is the key, not any particular later marking of it.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Yeah but under god's direction, he wouldnt have let her do so if it wasn't going to be perfect.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
so instead of booking her into a hospital or maternity unit he leaves her to find the last remaining manger in bethlehem in the middle of winter. not that fucking perfect is it.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
In other words, Christianity is just one of many traditions that end up with festivals in spring and midwinter. And if we don't celebrate any of the peculiarly Christian bits to do with the supposed life of Jesus that have become attached to these festivals, we're not very culturally Christian at all.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
it was for his purposes, you are clearly trying to evaluate the past from a twenty-first century point of view
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes you are. Context doesn't just mean what i think about things.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Except you do make use of various 'Christian' aspects of it. December 25 today is a specifically Christian celebration, so if you feast on that day.... Also family and gift giving are not central to other, earlier, equinal celebrations, so they are clearly Christian based. And you do it in times and ways as prescribed by laws based upon the centrality of Christianity. So you dont really have much choice in the matter
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The festivals would exist in some form anyway.
You don't get to tell me I'm culturally Christian. There is nothing peculiarly culturally Christian about spring and midwinter festivals. Quite the reverse - they are something that Christianity has coopted itself into.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not me who started going on about mary's perfect pregnancy
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