goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Our Father,
Who art in heaven,
Harold be thy name.
Who art in heaven,
Harold be thy name.
Revolutionary Islam
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
aleister crowley wrote a number of short stories under the collective name of 'golden twigs', which if memory serves are available from the excellent wordsworth press, included with his simon iff stories: one or two of which require a strong stomach.
he looks like George Dawes there.
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Starry Wisdom
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Starry Wisdom
HEROD be thy name
jakethesnake
In bed for Britain
We went through a stage of trying to finish any hymns or prayers last - much funnier until the teachers twigged and started handing out detentions.
A bloke tells me that he knows it, therefore it's fact.
aleister crowley: favoured pink romper suits
Yes we do. The kind of atheism you espouse is a specifically Christian form of atheism. Muslim atheists behave and think very differently from you. That should not be surprising, since everything is formed by what it reacts against. Dialectics innit.
He was. And his Arabic name was Yaqub Sajara. That's true that is.
According to you, you really must stop channelling tobyjug.
So it was you who started this thread.
*enlightenment dawns*
Aka Joshua son of Joseph, what with Jesus being the Greek version (or was it the Romanised version?), not Aramaic.
Latin.
At the risk of encouraging your displacement activity, I'm not sure whether the Latin version of his name was in use at the time of his trial and death, or whether it only came into use later. Something without which I can probably survive until looking it up for myself.
Salve deus rex judeaorum innit.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Just how many Muslim atheists are there living in fully Muslim countries ?
Loads. In Turkey alone there must be at least 30 million. And they're far more outspoken than Western atheists too.
Why do you ask?
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
But Turkey is something of an exception though isn't it ?
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surely fully muslim countries would not contain any atheists
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muslim atheist, like christian atheist, is a contradiction in terms. even a dozy twat like you should be able to work it out.
We've just done this one, Fool.
I have honestly never seen such ignorance.
I take it you haven't travelled much then?
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so you say. but, you may note, christians believe in god. muslims believe in god. atheists do not believe in god. so your saying someone's a muslim atheist is another way of your saying you are a thick wanker.
it is of course perfectly fair to say that atheists in a muslim country may have a different notion of atheism to their counterparts in a christian country. but describing them as muslim or christian atheists is the act of a twat.
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a fully muslim country would contain no one but muslims. twat.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I truly cannot imagine how it is possible to grow to adulthood and yet remain so entirely, utterly ignorant of the world.
Have you ever been to a Muslim country, Fool?
Yes. The point however is that Muslim countries run the entire gamut, from liberal to oppressive, just like other countries . Fancy that.
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for someone who affects to be an academic you are remarkably stupid.
there are no fully muslim countries. there are no fully christian countries. there are no fully jewish countries.
a fully muslim country would, by definition, contain no non-muslims - no christians - no jews - no atheists.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Bit of clarity here, phil. If you don't consider yourself Muslim, then you're not. It's as simple as that. And insisting on some residual 'cultural' Islam or Christianity or whatever is both denying people their own agency - if they tell you they do not consider themselves 'culturally' any religion, you should take that seriously - and also being massively simplistic about how cultures and cultural identities form - they are about far more than any named religion.
The Council of ex-Mulsims put it well in their manifesto:
This stuff matters, and people insisting that others have some intrinsic 'muslimness' or 'christianness' about them that they cannot renounce is poisonous, ill-thought-out, dangerous thinking.
The Council of ex-Mulsims put it well in their manifesto:
This stuff matters, and people insisting that others have some intrinsic 'muslimness' or 'christianness' about them that they cannot renounce is poisonous, ill-thought-out, dangerous thinking.
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